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These recent photos are from the forthcoming books of Rasa Von Werder,

"Old Woman / Young Man - Why They Belong Together"

Parts I & II

Concerning spirituality, Female Empowerment, the evils of Patriarchy, Health, etc.

TED PORTER speaks wisely about “the box” men are in, & that when they give it up they will be free.  Males need to be liberated.  He speaks well of how males are taught to see women as something lower, to use, especially for sex.  This is excellent.  He gives revealing personal anecdotes.  Being “a man” means hiding their feelings, of course, their compassionate or sensitive feelings.

http://www.ted.com/talks/tony_porter_a_call_to_men.html

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Seeker asks Rasa about celibacy:

Hindu scriptures point out that by the honest and true, unbroken practice of Brahmacharya in thought word and deed for a period of 12 years, 'Buddhi naadi' or 'Medha naadi' is formed in the brain by which man can have a photographic memory of anything he reads or hears and can reproduce the same word to word unfailingly. He can solve extremely difficult problems and life situations easily by using the power of his 'Ojas' or divine energy. The ability of the brain to concentrate, focus and find solutions to any problem would be comparable to superhuman dimensions. Further to this period of true celibacy in thought, word and deed, man develops 'Trikaala Gnyana' or the knowledge of the past, present and future and rests in a state of incomparable bliss, constantly in the thought of God.

Swami Vivekananda was a living example for the benefits one derives from the practice of celibacy in effect. He attributed his remarkable mental prowess to a lifelong observance of Brahmacharya. At one point in time, a disciple of his was exclaiming at the impossibility of absorbing all the contents of the many volumes of 'Encyclopedia Brittanica' that had landed at the library the previous day.

Seeing the new, shining volumes, the disciple said to Swami - “It is almost impossible to read all these books in a single lifetime.”
The Swami said -" What do you say? Ask me anything you like from these ten volumes, and I will answer them all.
The disciple asked in wonder, “Have you read all these books?”
Swami - " Why should I ask you to question me otherwise?"

On being examined, Swami Vivekananda not only reproduced the sense, but at places the very language of the difficult topics selected from each volume. The disciple, astonished, put aside the books, saying, “This is not within human power!”
The Swami said: " Do you see?, simply by the observance of strict Brahmacharya all learning can be mastered in a very short time — one has an unfailing memory of what one hears or knows but once. That power may come to all. That power comes to him who observes unbroken Brahmacharya for a period of twelve years. With the sole object of realising God, I have practiced that kind of Brahmacharya myself, and so a screen has been removed, as it were, from my brain. For that reason, I need not any more think over or prepare myself for any lectures on such a subtle subject as philosophy. Suppose I have to lecture tomorrow; all that I shall speak about will pass tonight before my eyes like so many pictures; and the next day I put into words during my lecture all those things that I saw. So you will understand now that it is not any power which is exclusively my own. Whoever will practice unbroken Brahmacharya for twelve years will surely have it. If you do so, you too will get it".- End of quote.

Guru Rasa,  Is this true in your experience?

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Rasa:   I read the account.

I think yogis have a tendency to exaggerate.  When I, a woman, wrote you about celibacy, I was being honest but have not seen honesty that strong in the yogi accounts of celibacy.

Yes, the mind has much more clarity & focus & creativity when the physical urges, in this case sex, are put aside.  But a photographic memory?  It improves, but I certainly do not have a photographic memory.

To be truly celibate you have to give up 90 to 99% of the desire for sex, & that means, no masturbation.  This takes many years & you will slide back & forth even in the first twelve years.

You cannot destroy the sex drive entirely because it is an instinct & they never die – nor are they supposed to – they are only quieted down or put to sleep.

I have never met another person who has practiced celibacy to the degree or length that I have.  Many brag about a few years here or there – but this is usually involuntary, for lack of partners (I think they continue to masturbate, which is not total celibacy but partial) or a medical condition, or a sluggish sex drive.  Not the same thing at all to give up a healthy sex drive for the sake of attaining God.

Another thing:  I suffered for six years with intestinal paralysis & had to take an enema six days a week, to evacuate my bowels, because of cutting off my thoughts & feelings re. sex.

Celibacy is torture to attain.

But once attained, it has great benefits.

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PARENTS BEAT UP DOCTOR WHO KILLED 5 CHILDREN  WITH VACCINES  (THEY DIED WITHIN AN HOUR OF RECEIVING INJECTIONS)

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/03/24/disturbing-data-about-vaccinated-children.aspx

In many countries, government officials and drug companies aggressively resist conducting studies that compare the health of vaccinated and unvaccinated children. But such studies have been conducted in Africa .
One such study, from Guinea-Bissau , shows a doubling of the mortality rate among infants vaccinated with a single dose of DTP vaccine. The mortality rate more than quadrupled after the second and third dose.
According to Age of Autism:
"VAERS data also show high infant mortality in the U.S. after DTP vaccination (much higher than from pertussis, diphtheria and tetanus together, hence it is clear that DTP vaccine is harming more children than saving."
A safety panel is convening in Japan to investigate the connection between two widely used vaccines -- Pfizer's Prevenar and Sanofi Pasteur's ActHIB -- and the deaths of five children in the past month. Japan 's health ministry has ordered doctors to stop immunizing infants with the vaccines while investigation proceeds.
The vaccines are commonly given to infants around the world.
CNN reports:
"Pfizer estimates it has distributed more than 360 million doses of [Prevenar], which is available in more than 100 countries around the world and part of the routine childhood immunization schedule in more than 50 countries. In Japan, 2 million doses have been administered."
However, on March 8, Market Watch reported that the panel had concluded the vaccines did not cause any of the infant deaths. They did however "request data on the safety of giving multiple vaccines simultaneously and more analysis of the cases," Bloomberg reports.

In similar news, five infants died after being vaccinated for measles at Gandhidhams Rambaugh Hospital in India earlier this month. Three additional infants are said to be in serious condition.
The Times of India reports:
'The entire stock of this vaccine in the state has been withdrawn pending lab tests and measles vaccination in the district has been stopped till further notice. Following the deaths at 10 am, people went berserk breaking furniture and fixtures and beating up Dr Abhishek Makwana, who was on duty. Four infants died within minutes of being vaccinated by two female health workers while one infant died after an hour."

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Rasa on celibacy:

The operating principle of celibacy is this:  The effort to shut down the lower chakras (to a point, not completely, put them into a somnambulant state) & channel the energy from the lowest chakra until it reaches the Sahasrara, wherein God is.  When you find god it is in the Sahasrara, god is in the middle of your brain as an energy center called,  in Siddha yoga "the blue pearl".  when "God" becomes active, you get a halo from the energy center radiating.

In order to reach the Sahasrara you have to focus your entire mind, heart, soul & body on the nature of God - what God is, the infinite, positive, powerful qualities of god.  This is the work you do.

As you do this work, you become more like God every day until you are God.  This is called Self realization or Enlightenment. 

There were/are many great saints who don't adhere to this philosophy, that they are God.  But my understanding is that when we reach the God within us, we are God or put another way, the Spirit of God has taken us over or we have melted into it.

When you reach the level of God your behavior is God-like, or you exhibit the qualities & virtues of God.

In Christian terms, you receive all the Gifts of the Holy Spirit, to some degree, depending on what kind of Anointing you are meant to have.  Look up "Gifts of the Holy Spirit" & you'll know what qualities they are.

In Yoga, they call it Kundalini Shakti or Chitishakti, the Energy of God, & they describe the Gifts & qualities of God in different terms.

I am in the state called "nonduality" which is nothing that Christians recognize except when they say “No longer I live but Christ in me.” (they believe this can happen & they see Jesus as God, but they don’t call themselves God when they become Jesus.

I am living in a place called Lila or Leela, which is when

one knows that God acts through them, it is "the play of God."  God is living through my body, acting through it.

What does this give me?

It gives me great faith in myself, it takes away my fear of people as to what they think of me (this gives me great freedom). I believe I can do all that God can do, that what I desire will come to pass. When I pray to God or speak to her, I know She is me, & I am her.  "She" is inside my brain & my body is her "lower self" but when She acts, you could say there is no higher or lower self, all becomes One. 

Just as we worship Jesus, & his Holy Wounds, Enlightened people deserve worship, & they transmit power to others when others venerate or worship them.

Our Power also manifests at certain times, when it is needed, when we do great works or there is danger afoot.  The Power kicks in at the right time, it does not resonate 24/7.  It worked for David when he was protecting the sheep from wolves, a bear, a lion, & when he faced Goliath.

Kellie Everts, Showbiz name for Rasa Von Werder

Rasa Von Werder aka Kellie Everts

These recent photos are from the forthcoming books of Rasa Von Werder,

"Old Woman / Young Man - Why They Belong Together"

Parts I & II

I see someone posting passionately about Christianity. There is much to say about this. I used to be a Christian minister & I know what I speak of. I left behind the confines of Christianity & see it's great points & the bad points. The bad points are that people aren't practicing it. Jesus Christ came & went, & most of his followers aren't like him! They have a cold & cruel view on the Wiccans & Pagans - which are religions of Mother God. The Christians, Jews & all Patriarchs, are haters of Mother God. Ancient enemies, the Christians were the demons in the Inquisition. I have much to say to this man because I have received as a Christian all the Gifts of the Holy Spirit including the grace of Martyrdom, called the Interior Divine Stigmata. But I know that we must love God as Mother, not Father, & yes, She is NOTHING like the men who run the Patriarchal religions, nothing like them at all.

  

Bard of Ely

Thank you, Rasa! I had been wondering how you were! I haven't been sleeping so well because of my sadness and worry about Japan and what has happened!

Mercurius Trismegistus

FACEBOOK NEEDS MOTHERGOD!

AntonOftheNorth

Hi Bard!

New to Hub and this article so late to the conversation

Thanks for writing it. Its the first Hub I've seen where I had to think a bit before responding, (and thanks Rasa for joining in. I confess I was not familiar with your work before now.

I've seen a lot more postings in response to this post that I would call much more objectionable than anything Bard has aluded to here about Rasa's work.

I'm not sure how I feel about Matriarchy. I don't have negative feelings about it (male myself, just for the record). I've done a very little anthropological study in some matriarchal based societies. (this provided just for context)

I am leery of any system that excludes members or attributes that are part of it. I don't argue the point that most of the ills in the world can be attributed to patriarchal constructs, but I also feel that a just, whole society must include the values of the whole in some fashion, not just the parts that are considered valuable by the dominant. (I think that's what we have that now with the current patriarchal model, the dominant faction having backed its dominance up with violence). Does matriarchal mean the same kind of exclusion from the other direction?

RASA:  MEN ARE NOT EXCLUDED IN A MATRIARCHAL SOCIETY, THEY WORK UNDER AUTHORITY OF THE FEMALE, BUT THEY HAVE IMPORTANT ROLES TO PLAY NEVERTHELESS.  BUT THEY DO NOT LEAD WOMEN.

I'm not at all opposed to the notion of women in control of society. My mother was in control of our family, but even she felt that she would accept my Dad's decision on things solely because he was the 'man of the house' and that was how she was taught. I always thought that was silly.

I guess I need to research matriarchy a bit more so I can determine exactly how you define it. Far be it from me to say I don't like something without knowing what it is. Thanks for making me think.

RASA:  IN MATRIARCHY WOMEN WORK TOGETHER TO DETERMINE WHAT IS BEST FOR ALL .  THEY ARE BENEVOLENT COMPARED TO MEN, THEY ARE JUST , FAIR, THEY CARE FOR THE WEAK.  THEY DO NOT USUALLY EXPLOIT, CAUSE ATROCITIES OR GENOCIDES.  DURING THE 28,000 KNOWN YEARS OF MATRIARCHY (PROBABLY HAD IT THE ENTIRE TIME OF HUMAN EXISTENCE EXCEPT VERY RECENTLY) THERE WERE NO WARS, NO ARMED WARFARE.  WITH WOMEN & MOTHER GOD RULING THE WORLD, THERE WAS JUSTICE & HAPPINESS.  LOOK WHAT THE WORLD HAS BECOME.  CHAOS, GREED, CRIME, EVERY IMAGINABLE & UNIMAGINABLE ATROCITY AGAINST ALL LIFE .  PATRIARCHY IS THE CULTURE OF DEATH, NECROPHILIA.  MATRIARCHY IS THE CULTURE OF LIFE , BIOPHILIA, AS EXPLAINED BY MARY DALY.

AntonOfTheNorth

 

I have more to read on the subject, and to discuss and absorb, so this comes with a liberal grain of salt;

But most of what I'm seeing is attack rhetoric on both sides of this discussion. Both sides saying "you are wrong", both sides saying "you are evil". Both sides essenially declaring war (I believe I saw that on one of Rasa's Blogs)

This isn't a discussion about solutions.

RASA:  We have presented the one & only ultimate solution:  Matriarchy, rule of the women with Mother God as our God.  That brings peace.  No one is excluding men, they work under authority of females!

 

One side wants me to be a stereotypical violent, dominant, repressive male. The language used by that side does not represent my values, my choices, nor my identity. (clearly it represents many, but it does not represent me)

The other has already decided that I represent an evil influence on humanity and its only a matter of time before my kind vanish from the earth and then 'we'will be at peace. (except it sounds just like the 'final solution' humanity will only be at peace when I am not a part of it.)

Hate is the sibling of Fear. Neither is a solution.

It seems in order to participate in this debate, I either have to emulate the 'inherant' evil of men or agree that I no longer have any relevance. The debate in this context is already polarized beyond compromise, or sharing or caring what the other side thinks. I am just not interested in the extremes discussed here.

Rasa's vision of the future may be correct. I'll have passed on before it can be proved. It doesn't offer a solution to now. And since I'm interested in the now, I will retire from the discussion.

In any event, I wish you peace.

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Bard of Ely

Anton, I am a man who does not present either of those options you have suggested! Thank you for posting!

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Rasa Von Werder aka Kellie Everts

 

Anton is just a sore loser. If the men were beating the women soundly he would be satisfied. I have stated the facts. Everything I say is from studies, statistics & sound logic. If I am perturbed that males do so much damage, I should be. It's not about hate, is it? Hating child molestation, hating rape, hating violence, genocide, atrocities, abuse of animals, destruction of the environment, hating all those things males have created & continue to promulgate. There is a list of grievances against what males have done as long as toilet paper & just as dirty. Look at your track record - this is what males have done in spite of the exceptions. There is noting you can say Anton, to defend the male gender, so bow out, understandably. There is no argument to counter a record of male failures & flaws. What the vociferous males here have done is answered emotionally. That is another myth that must be dispelled - male logic vs. female emotionalism. I have seen my share of emotional insults, innuendos & put downs from men on the internet venues. Wow, do they recoil in rage, fear & brutality when faced with the facts! They can't stand being on the carpet, it hurts their inflated image of who they are - they cannot humble themselves. So you are an exception? If you are, you would also hate the things males do, & would admit they do them, as do Steve & William Bond. Steve admits males are violent & abusive - William wants women to rule the world because males have failed. When a man hates evil, this is how he talks - not like you - trying to squirm out of a debate because you can't take the heat. You can't win so you say the debate is flawed - sour grapes. The debate is a good one which women are winning, especially after Rasa, the leader of the Army of Mother God, stepped in. So haha to you Anton. Go lick your wounds. The men here have been defeated - this happens wherever I go Steve, it is the Anointing of Mother God. Praise Mother God, good bye false gods of men.

AntonOfTheNorth

You've simply made my point.

Based solely on reading what I have written, you have decided that I would be satisfied if the 'men were beating the women'.

That is simply insulting.

I've never used violence or the threat of violence to get what I want from anyone. I'm fairly certain nothing I've written here even implies that I would accept that as a good thing.

"When a man hates evil, this is how he talks" again, you've already decided what truth is, how it should be presented and worse, what my reality is, based on a few paragraphs. I would not willingly put myself under the rule of anyone of any gender who jumps to those kind of conclusions.

If you are presenting the 'one & only ultimate solution: Matriarchy, rule of women with Mother God as our God' then the only view you appear to support is one that agrees with that. This means that in order for you to even attempt to listen to what I have to say, I have to agree with your interpretation of God. Nothing I say will influence your thoughts until I can demonstrate to you that I think as you do. As I don't, and as this is a discussion hub, what other value does my participation have for either of us?

I do grant you, that clearly I was compelled to continue participating so obviously my ego is involved, to feel compelled to share thoughts that arguably have no value to you. I don't consider myself a 'sore loser' though. Not sore and I didn't lose anything. I still consider the discussion a gain.

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Rasa Von Werder aka Kellie Everts aka Mother God

Anton I never accused you of violence - I decided what Truth is (?) These are my opinions OF TRUTH just as yours are. Each person PRESENTS THEIR CASE OF WHAT THEY BELIEVE TRUE. You believe, I believe, we have a discussion. Frankly, I suspect you don't know enough about the subject. William Bond & I have been studying this FOR YEARS. People jump on board thinking they can take us down swiftly - uh uh. We've been through all the bantering & heard it all. Not even an "expert" can take us down, but an expert can ask intelligent questions by which, like a lawyer, he could trip me up or checkmate me - if that were possible. But it isn't possible so of course you don't want to look foolish so you bow out - which is understandable. I suspect you are a nice person, I have no ill will toward what you say.

teresa8go

At the risk of coming under the attack of Rasa Von Werder aka Kellie Everts aka Mother God I have to say that I have read enough. If what I have read here is any indication of the of the kind of rulership of the "Mother God" has in store for us in the future then I truly hope it never comes to pass. Attack and ridicule make up most of what I have read from Rasa. Facts are being used as sword and shield and any male (possibly any female as well) who does not come right out and agree 100% with Rasa comes under her attack and ridicule. That is not what I want for the future of this world.

Anton has made these statements "I don't argue the point that most of the ills in the world can be attributed to patriarchal constructs," ..... "I'm not at all opposed to the notion of women in control of society." ..... "I guess I need to research matriarchy a bit more..." ..... "I have more to read on the subject..." From what I read he created his posts in a thoughtful way. He has written nothing that should have earned him the attack and ridicule he has been given. Anton has been treated as if he were Pierre Savoie or Morton Downey Jr. I have to wonder why Rasa didn't take the time she used to trash Anton to educate him instead on the positive aspects of a Matriarchal society?

I had intended on reading more about what Rasa has to say but, I've been so busy I have not had time to. Yet now, after reading all of Rasa's comments, I don't think I will. Eighty percent of what I have read from Rasa has been nothing but repeating the evils that some men have wrought upon this world and all life upon it. I am already fully aware of these facts and have no desire to read more. The other twenty percent I have read from Rasa have been demeaning and ridiculing comments. Where is the Nurturing? Where is the Compassion? Where is the Wisdom? Where are the words that would make people want to learn more?

There is a saying "That what we Fear and Hate the most, we become." Just from what Rasa has written on this hub I would say that statements fits perfectly. And before Rasa tries to make it sound as if I want to be her. I Do Not! Nor do I envy Rasa! Right now I pity Rasa. She has learned well the tactics of attack and ridicule that are so often used by men to crush that which gets in their way. She has forgotten how to speak not from a heart filled with hate and hurt but one that is centered within the highest qualities of Creator/Mother God.

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Rasa Von Werder aka Kellie Everts aka Mother God

Teresa, are you a man, woman or she-male, it helps to know, before I answer, who I am talking to.

Rasa Von Werder aka Kellie Everts aka Mother God

Teresa I have not attacked anyone nor ridiculed anyone - you are imagining things. I think you are used to men being in charge & women on bended knee, & when a female just says what is in a straightforward manner, it sounds so strange, you think it’s attack & ridicule. Sometimes I use irony or sarcasm, but that’s not a sin. The males I’ve been talking to are against Matriarchy – I am a leader in the army of Mother God, sent to smash men who oppose her, so I am smashing them. If nice guys come up they are treated gently but the enemies of Mother God get what they deserve. Compassion? We are working to save the planet & all that is on it, men are destroying it. Why do you want me to be soft with those who oppose Mother God, life, happiness & all that is good? I cannot be soft on these criminals, & if you want to be, then I can see why Mother God has passed you by for her army of righteousness. You are molly coddling demons.

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Pierre,

Dr. Bryan Sykes (Oxford University), the world's top geneticist, has calculated human males will not exist in 100,000 years give or take 25,000 years.  He said males are "a genetic modification experiment that did not work" & nature is removing them.  Women will reproduce without males,  there will be two-woman parenting, the offspring female.  It will be a female-only world.

Human males are deteriorating fast with the y chromosome crumbling.  Right now 8% of them are infertile.  Their health is poor as compared to female, they fall apart quickly as the y chromosome cannot repair itself.  Males are also less intelligent than females & far more violent, impulsive & reckless.  If you look at the world around you & all its ills you see the result of male thinking & behavior, but this is changing fast.  As males try to do as much damage as possible while on their way out, women are rising up, ready to take over the world, remove society from the hands of men & repair the damage.  I see Matriarchy full developing within 200 years; we’re in a transition.

The plots the human male has for destruction are ingenious.  Read David Icke & Alex Jones, & other conspiracy experts, to see what they are up to.  It’s not even secret any more – mainstream economists & intelligent observers see a doomsday coming up, orchestrated by males- as if in their last breath on the way out, they want to do as much damage as possible.

We have to remember that humans are a species of animal.  For a long time males have set up systems of hunting, murder, assassination, slaughter & torture of animals including human & it’s getting more open.  With biowarfare, they’re exterminating the human race, trying to disable, sicken & kill as many as possible, with a hierarchical few at the top herding what’s left into cities, microchipping them, & using them as economic slaves  In other words, they want to corral humans & use them as they do other beasts – depriving them of all rights & liberties.  (No one has a right to do this, under God, to any animal including human.)  

The only hope has always been women & Mother God, & She has openly stepped into Power. She became manifest at the start of the feminist movement (1860’s, Emmeline Pankhurst, Elizabeth Cady Stanton & Susan B. Anthony), & has continued into what we now term Female Empowerment / Matriarchy.  (My site Woman Thou Art God is number one on Google for those terms.)  Women are now beating men in academia including Doctor degrees, management, & the labor force.  They are moving up from the bottom – as William Bond says,

“Women are a cork, which, when not held down, pops up.”

Women are rising, males are sliding back. Without the props of discrimination & violence males cannot control the Female Superior.  Compare this to the slaughter of great beasts like tigers, elephants, wolves & bears.  As long as males have weapons to counteract the strength of these animals, they can destroy them.  So males have “the handicap.”  But without traps & guns, men will be killed in minutes by such beasts.  The weapons / handicaps of men against females have been similar - using physical force & mind control.  These devises were preached from pulpits, psychiatric chairs, and academia– media – print, the bodies of government.  It took a concerted effort to hold women down – men being in agreement UNIVERSALLY, corporately, the big & small men – not only the alphas, but the betas had their share in it. This was beaten into our brains from the days we were born – that males were somehow superior & had to run everything, women had to bow down to men. (They are still trying to control / brainwash but with less success.) 

Now their evil system, Patriarchy, is deteriorating, & the world of Mother God, Matriarchy, is moving in.  This is what will heal the planet – nothing else.  No system of males will ever change our world – as William Bond points out.  Every political & religious construct, be it socialism, capitalism, communism, monarchy, has failed, because men were running it, & the male instinct turns everything violent.

Again, William Bond has been pointing out for years, women are nurturers, while men have an instinct for violence.  So who should rule the family & the world?  The care giver or the one who commits 99% of the violence & crimes?

http://www.amazon.com/Can-Female-Power-Save-Planet/dp/0595678408

 

Bard of Ely

Thank you, Rasa, for a very detailed explanation of what has happened and the solution!

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Hugh Hill

I think a better word that might be a bit more simple to swallow would be maternal-ism, the science of giving and nurturing, I disagree with that woman cannot be violent or war like because they can.

Statistically speaking they are much less prone to violence though.

There are also many men who are completely non-violent and pacifistic by nature.

I think we are violent because we do not value life or consider other species as equal partners on this earth we share.

We are supposed to be evolved & intelligent and yet we destroy everything we touch and all the animals for the sake of nothing less than selfishness.

Who fuels the fur industry? How many animals suffered so that makeup can make it to the purses?

We are all responsible and until we stop eating meat, poisoning our bodies with chemicals and brainwashing our minds we will continue to be the planets screw-ups and eventually wipe out everything.

Sometimes I wish that humans would just disappear, we don't deserve this beautiful planet, but then maybe, if we could change....,

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Pierre Savoie

That's right, she's starting to go to the Other Side -- of credibility -- if she claims Joan of Arc touched her on the forehead. She also made a statement VERY SIMILAR to, "I'm not against Negroes, but they will be subservient." only she talks about males instead of Negroes. It gets very, very dangerous when she imagines a God that shares her gender, and her race, possibly, to the exclusion of any other aspect.

She has to realize that there IS no religion, spirituality is a sham, no God, spirits, or souls, and we have increased in comfort and progress from 350 years of science, not from the thousands of years of religion that came before. But it's no big deal. It takes energy, self-delusion, and willful ignorance to stay as a radical, but the Road to Normal is wide and accomodating. People just have to snap out of it and say they've been wasting their precious hours on the Single-Life Path, they can apologize to any people they've hurt, and there's still time to learn a productive trade, like learning how to bake cookies in a factory or something, anything will do...

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Rasa Von Werder aka Mother God aka Kellie Everts 2 days ago

Teresa no problem - I am also going to be away from the pc for a couple days having fun with my hotties. I can see why Pierre is so grumpy - He's ugly so no one wants to have sex with him. Tsk tsk, sorry, Pierre, learn to do something useful like cleaning bathrooms for women & maybe one of them will allow you to kiss her - on the ass.

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Rasa Von Werder

Hugh, I like what you say - I can see you have feelings & are downhearted about the world situation. It's a good start. Help us work for Matriarchy.

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Pierre Savoie

Rasa's explanation is bullshit! She doesn't cite where the scientist actually published his ideas in a peer-reviewed scientific journal, or how his claim can square the face of the fact that we have had gendered species for 800 MILLION years or more.

Oh, they didn't LET him publish his findings in a real scientific journal? Why is that? Could it be because he's daffy? You should read CHECKED publications in science, not self-published rants.

You are quoting science "at a distance" and vaguely. I have a Master's Degree in Chemistry and I don't appreciate it when philosophers, hippies, longhairs and other amateurs try to voice-appropriate science they've "heard about" to justify their daffy views. This is not some Southern California alfalfa-bar here, this is the arena of REAL scientific publication, so WHERE DID this daffy professor manage to publish his claims in a peer-reviewed scientific journal? And how do his facts measure up with the observed paleontological reality of sex? Why didn't males all disappear 500 million years ago, or 600 million years ago? Was there not time for the "crumbling DNA" to self-destruct? Or is it just now, conveniently close to the lifetime of Rasa Von Herr Führerin, that this is scientifically predicted to happen?

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Bard of Ely

Pierre, Prof Bryan Sykes is a many times published academic expert on human genetics as you can see here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bryan_Sykes

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Pierre Savoie

But IN WHAT PEER-REVIEWED SCIENTIFIC JOURNAL did he publish this so-called claim about the "crumbling" of male genetics??? It's not enough to use the fallacy of Appeal to Authority. You have to show how he actually pulled off a peer-review process, where others determine if his science is valid enough to be published in the legitimate scientific literature. I am trying to get actual chapter and verse. I am ALSO trying to get an answer as to how male DNA can "crumble" if we've had gendered animals for 800 million years or more, everything beyond paramecia. Why didn't it "crumble" before human history?

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Pierre Savoie

Sykes also got criticized for writing THE SEVEN DAUGHTERS OF EVE, trying to take general findings about DNA in migrating human populations and mythologizing them, even giving them personalities. It is NOT the role of a serious scientist to attempt to turn research into "Clan of the Cave-Bear" type stories.

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Bard of Ely

Pierre, there are female only animals in the natural world I can think of and those that can reproduce without males eg the Indian Stick Insect, the Whiptail Lizard, Komodo Dragon and the Marmor Krebs crayfish. So that shows that males are not necessary.

Male human sperm count is going downhill due mainly to environmental pollution with toxins and hormones and this is having disastrous effects too with other species ranging from alligators to many types of fish.

I don't know of the peer-reviewed evidence backing up Sykes' claims so cannot answer that and am not going to spend my time trying to find any. I am presenting what I know of his theories here as a side issue to this hub which is primarily about Rasa being deleted at Facebook. I am pointing out though that he an Oxford professor and specialises in genetics as the subject he has studied.

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Pierre Savoie

But these species are not typical of the hundreds of thousands of animal species! You expect all of us to wear grass skirts just because Amazon tribesmen do?

 

Oxford professors should STILL not be trusted if they are self-publishing their thoughts, rather than agreeing to subject their ideas to peer-reviewed scientific scrutiny.

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Bard of Ely

No, they are not typical but they do exist and that shows that it is possible.

As for Prof Sykes' theory I do not know if he is right or not but Rasa believes he is and that is the point being made here. I do not claim to know what the future holds but I do see matriarchy as a workable solution to a world that is in a terrible mess.

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Pierre Savoie

It's just brainwashing. The proof is in the pudding, so these "matriarchies" will have to set up as independent countries, competing with all countries, and we'll see how they do. Probably they'll survive on massive World Bank loans until some Muslim country decides to invade them, and then they'll whine and plead for some patriarchal phallocratic United Nations army to save them.

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BrainFire

You can always spot ignorance, when a person argues about a subject they know little about. Pierre, you have stunted your own growth in life, and spirit. You don't even realize how much information you are letting out about your own very closed, brainwashed mind. I commented on your bitterness towards women, you skirted over that right. I watched as you continue to trash women, and anyone promoting anything other than what is in YOUR tiny closed mind.

I'd be very interested in knowing what your usual PH is. I also mentioned an evaluation of your nutrient levels, to allow us the freedom to decide if you are even worth talking to. So far I feel you are not. What you have been willing to write, taking a patriarchal stance, ready for battle, with people who are clearly much more educated on the subject matter than you...obviously.

I suspect you may be frustrated, and with an attitude like that...it would be par for your course. What I do hope, is that you don't abuse any women, or children. Having a TOXIC attitude can put the people, namely the women and children near you in great danger. Even just your outlook, and fighting attitude lends great strength to Matriarchy. You are proving many aspects of why a Matriarchy is the solution to our planet now, sooner than later.

A woman gave birth to you, allowing you to flourish on this planet, as whatever you have chosen to become. Nowhere in grand scheme of things were you ever told to disrespect women, abuse, and attack, as you meet women in your travels. I'd say that's not going to work favorably for you at this time.

Do you happen to know the world dating stats? I do, have you ever looked into any of this? Your mind is closed, and yet you stand before us arguing against women in a hub that promotes Matriarchy! I'm seeing some improper brain cell firing there. You are a product of your environment, and you know not what you say.

Until you can provide facts for your position, I would tread lightly, demonstrating respect, and eagerness to LEARN, and expand ones mind. You would not have been afforded the opportunity to be here today had your Mother not carried inside her womb for 9 months.

Shall we conclude your mania as inner confusion, and lack of knowledge, or would you like to give yourself the opportunity to grow, and advance...the free will has been given to you for this reason. To make intelligent decisions, and see beyond a realm of hate. Which is where you seem to be stuck.

You lack love, I can see this, and I can also sense a lot of frustration within. Since you were willing to launch the attack against women here, and all that this hub, my hubs/sites, and Rasa's sites promote, it would help you greatly to understand Matriarchy a little better. Verses shooting ones mouth off without any fuel.

Your public display of hostility towards women is very clear. Were you aware that this is generally a major turn off to women? Could this be the reason you are so frustrated with the idea of Women ruling the world?

Fortunately it is inevitable, thankfully WE are aware, and making the necessary moves to get there! Hence the reason for this hub, and the many others. We are already a Matriarchal Society, in the near future it WILL be adapted to as the normal way of life...The way it was meant to be in the first place. Good Luck! Find Love in your life.

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Pierre Savoie

pH? You don't even know how pH is spelled (SMALL p, idiot!) and you lecture ME on ignorance? Oh, my mind is quite open, but it has two mother big bouncers in front of it called Reason and Logic, and so your silly New Age ideas can't enter the bar because they're under-aged!

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Pierre Savoie

I have lived through a time when the Communists claimed they were the way everything "should be" and that the world would "inevitably" become Communist as it "sweeps the world". Well, look what happened to THEM.

No, you certainly must doubt someone if they want you to worship her as a goddess (when spirituality itself is in sharp question), and you certainly must ban anyone who suggests in a public forum to strip males of their equal rights to be put in positions of authority. Now she is reduced to publishing, not directly, but through the intercession of her male followers, what we call in the Men's Movement the White Knights or the Manginas...
 

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teresa8go

Pierre wrote >Oxford professors should STILL not be trusted if they are self-publishing their thoughts, rather than agreeing to subject their ideas to peer-reviewed scientific scrutiny.<

I am shocked to see that you are still ranting about this peer-reviewed scientific scrutiny. Being a man of science that you are, I would have thought that you were taught in college, or at the very least learned of it through where you work, that all to often scientific work that goes against the accepted scientific theories are never published in a scientific journal. It doesn't matter how methodical the processes, how accurate the findings are, or how much evidence there is if the results point to something that contradicts the widely "acceptable" scientific theories the work is squashed and the scientist doing the work suffers sometimes severe damage to his professional career.

I am not alone in this opinion. Richard Horton, editor of the British medical journal The Lancet (which is one of the most respected general medical journals around), has said that "The mistake, of course, is to have thought that peer review was any more than a crude means of discovering the acceptability — not the validity — of a new finding. Editors and scientists alike insist on the pivotal importance of peer review. We portray peer review to the public as a quasi-sacred process that helps to make science our most objective truth teller. But we know that the system of peer review is biased, unjust, unaccountable, incomplete, easily fixed, often insulting, usually ignorant, occasionally foolish, and frequently wrong."

A good example of just how closed minded Scientific Academia truly is is the work done by Michael Cremo in his book "Forbidden Archeology". In this book Cremo has a ton of archeological evidence that has been ignored by the scientific establishment and relinquished to the basements of museums and universities around the world just because they couldn't fit them into the widely accepted theories of mankind's existence.

"If it doesn't fit, get rid of it" seems to be a general rule of thumb the scientific establishment uses to maintain the status quo. You have written that you are open minded but, it seems that you are no more open minded than the scientific establishment you love so well. If you truly were open minded you would not need others in the scientific community to tell you what to believe. You seem intelligent enough to make up your own mind so why do you need others to decide for you what is valid and what is not.

Pierre wrote >I am ALSO trying to get an answer as to how male DNA can "crumble"... <

From a book review at the LBA Literary Agency I will quote a short answer to your question.

"Genetically speaking, the only difference between men and women is that where women have two X chromosomes, men have one X and one Y. This one chromosome difference, out of a total of forty-six, holds the key to understanding the huge difference between the sexes.

But a closer look at the all-important Y chromosome reveals some shocking news for men. It is getting smaller. As the generations pass the Y chromosome is being cannibilized by the female genome and worn away by its own inability to recombine. Women are winning the evolutionary battle of the sexes. "

If you are truly open minded as you state you are why don't you go to a library, check out the book and read it for yourself.

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Pierre Savoie

Book reviews and self-published things STILL don't satisfy science. And if you try to run down peer-reviewed scientific literature, it is like running down the ballot-box and saying that it is better to appoint a king. If a scientific paper can't bear checking, then it does NOT have methodical processes or accurate findings. It also fails if it refuses to acknowledge the vast body of information contradicting the paper's present position.

There is no "end-run" around the safeguards of the scientific arena. We don't need to encourage shoddy New Age beliefs by allowing them to run rampant without rules. If they can't survive in the arena of science, it's because their ideas are puerile.

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teresa8go

Pierre wrote > And if you try to run down peer-reviewed scientific literature, it is like running down the ballot-box and saying that it is better to appoint a king.<

No it doesn't. It just means that any system, in this case peer-review, that allows personal biases and agendas to intrude what should be impartial and unbiased reviews of another persons work is not and cannot be infallable and therefore must be considered flawed. And if scrutinized under the same microscopic lens as peer-reviewed literature often is; the only possible conclusion would be that the results of peer-reviews are contaminated by the personal biases and adgendas of the people reviewing the literature and must be thrown out.

You can't even objectively look at the material because of your own personal biases and agendas.

Pierre wrote >there IS no religion...... no God.....<

One of the definitions of religion is this "a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects". YOUR God is science. No matter how limited, erroneous or closed minded it is you have chosen to view all the world through its lens. You share the same faith to science as others do to their chosen faith. You are just as brainwashed and close minded as any religious zealot is. Your religion is accepted scientific dogma!

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Pierre Savoie

The peer-reviewed system is like democracy, often derided, but people admitting that the only worse system is every other system!

I think you smell rather strongly of New Age beliefs, since you decry exactly the dams and safeguards that keep your nonsense out of scientific discourse. There's a REASON science-journal articles are checked by other competent scientists before any publication.

Hey, science is not a God to me. I am perfectly willing to CHANGE MY MIND and bow down to a God, to a spirit, or even Mammy Guru Hare Rama, IF you prove there is in fact one, by scientific means! I have the open mind here, but I ask you, what if YOU'RE wrong? It will be hard for a proud man, a proud woman setting herself up as divine, to admit she's wasted a good chunk of her life chasing after will o' the wisps, but this is in fact what is happening.

Answering charges that logical thinking is "as bad a religion" as New Age nonsense:

http://atheism.about.com/od/atheismmyths/p/DenialG

So enough stupid nonsense! You claim spirit and God are real? Prove it, prove it, prove it! Right now! No more excuses!

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gguy

Pierre, God is real and Rasa has a right to her opinion. It is free speach just like you have here.I suspect a lot of your hostility towards her is based on her reversal of the old rules. She has hotties and you don't, that's something you will need to get used to as Women become the lead gender.

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teresa8go

Peirre wrote >So enough stupid nonsense! You claim spirit and God are real? Prove it, prove it, prove it! Right now! No more excuses!<

Where on this hub have I said that spirit and God are real?

teresa8go

This is a hub on matriarchy and we really need to get back on topic here. I suppose that one reason that many men are so opposed to the idea of the return of matriarchy is that some men think of all the atrocities men have committed against women and they think that when women are in charge that they will be treated in the same way. A sort of revenge, if you will. While I cannot say that this will happen or not, I have to admit it is a possibility. It may be a very slim possibility but, it is possible.

Many men in the men's movement are boo-hooing because they say they are not being treated fairly and school age boys are getting screwed up in school because of the changes created by the women's movement. As one proud to be male chauvinist man told me once, while berating the feminist movement, "Life's not fair! Get over it!"

If men and boys are truly being treated with the same kind and the same level of unjust treatment women and girls have endured for millennia; I see it as a case of "You reap what you sow" and "What goes around, comes around".

Eventually everything will level out and both sexes will recieve the same level of just or unjust treatment. But before that happens men will have to learn just how women felt while they were being treated as second class citizens and chattel.

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Pierre Savoie

No Rambo Revenge-Fantasies for you, Teresa. Men will band together and block women, stop listening to tricks like trying to appeal to their chivalrous impulses. Maybe we'll even start the crematoria camps, just for women.

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Bard of Ely

Pierre, you really don't like women very much do you? Well, you are wrong that all "men will band together" because there are very many men who support women! I am one of these! It is because men band together with their corrupt political parties and their war-making that the world is in the mess it is!

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gguy

Pierre, If vyou want to stop the rising tide of Women, I suggest that you practice by going to the beach and see if you can keep the tide from coming in. If that works, then you are ready to take on Women.

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gguy

Just wanted to add a few more comments here. I personally have reached out to Women and accepted their victory in the gender war, and by doing so, have gotten amazing support from Women. I feel that those of us that take this route will benefit from a Matriarchy or Female centric society. Once Women see that we are no longer a threat, they tend to be willing to help us move in a positive direction, and learn exactly what they will expect from us.Men had plenty of time to share power, and chose to ignore the rise of Women.

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BrainFire

pierre says>pH? You don't even know how pH is spelled (SMALL p, idiot!) and you lecture ME on ignorance? Oh, my mind is quite open, but it has two mother big bouncers in front of it called Reason and Logic, and so your silly New Age ideas can't enter the bar because they're under-aged!

pierre says>No Rambo Revenge-Fantasies for you, Teresa. Men will band together and block women, stop listening to tricks like trying to appeal to their chivalrous impulses. Maybe we'll even start the crematoria camps, just for women.

Are you Hitler? Are you under the care of a psychologist? Do you realize that what you have written here publicly is a terroristic, tyrannical threat against WOMEN? It's very obvious that you have wielded a double edged sword now pierre. Since people typically absorb about a third of what you say, I'm going to guess you missed the point here, completely.

First, I am not even sure what the heck you are doing here. Second, I think the fact that you have taken your frustration in life public, you are deserving of whatever it brings. I see that you are incredibly rude, and live your life as if it were a mission AGAINST WOMEN! Good luck with that! I'm going to reach and say you are also sexually frustrated, because you have aired so much hostility towards women here on someone else’s hub about MATRIARCHY.

What is uttered from your mouth, is utterly disgusting, I assure you no men will block this from happening, it has been happening for a very long time already. Women don't beat their chests, and fan their plumage to conquer anyone. In defense of attack, you will lose in your illogical quest of hammering women down. You seem COMPLETELY out of touch for being a supposedly educated person. I'm going to call that SELECTIVE EDUCATION. Which has indeed played a part in your tiny closed mind, and lack of development. You have already gone public with this fact.

The "PH" was capped to catch YOUR attention! LOL...Although that went right over your head. Look at what you wrote! How ignorant to assume it was a mistake. You are a very small, presumptuous boy, who has not been afforded the opportunity to have LOVE in his life. When you lash out at people, and attack, insult, or disrespect...you NEVER get anything good in the end. You are now proof of this.

Be very careful what you put in writing. You have told us exactly who you are, and all about what you think. Where is YOUR army? I have tons of movie connections, and so does Rasa, let's make a movie about it, we'll make it an epic! I've actually been waiting for your kind to arrive. What took you so long, I've been here for 3 years already.

You seem to think that standing before the Women of our current world, and speak like this, and you think it is OK? I suggest you stand naked in front of the mirror, and take good look at yourself to see who you really are.

Better make sure what you think is actually correct. I have proof to the contrary...where is YOUR research! You have nothing of value to offer here. You also have not addressed one question posed to you so far. I suggested a PH TEST STRIP, A BLOOD TEST to confirm I was right about your lack of balance chemically. Was there any particular reason you have ignored that, (I thought you were a chemist), and all other questions posed to you? Are you afraid I may be right? I was dead serious...where are the results pierre? I doubt you would ever share that information with us, right?

The big bad chemist you supposedly are, with the most closed minded, atrocious attitude firmly rooted against WOMEN. I think you have taken blatant ignorance to a new level! You are so smug, and continue to slash and bash WOMEN publicly, that you don't even realize what you are giving up.

Myself, and Rasa both work with WORLD FAMOUS SCIENTISTS...Uh Oh pierre...I bet WE will be crossing your path again in the very near future. Be very careful what you do, and say from this point on. You may very well jeopardize your own future. To be respectful, is to be wise. You never know who you are going to meet in the future. I almost feel sorry for you, but then again I don't...You have ignorantly chosen your path of patriarch destruction, and you seem to like it. It's not the facts, right? It's what you think...very ignorant, very close minded.

I'm certain your energy, and attitude repels women, and I'm also certain you have some serious psychological issues from the brainwashing, and preconditioning of your upbringing. I actually don't fault you for that. What I do fault you for is the current offenses you are committing against WOMEN here, and now. The way you are acting, and exhibiting this pent up hostility, it gives you away. Not to mention you are offensive. The cats out'a the bag now pierre.

The fact is I can tell you have studied nothing on this subject, and you are simply just full of patriarch hot air. I will be the one to burst your little bubble and bring you back to reality. Of course you'll fight, it's all you know. Stray dogs do the very same thing, when I rescue them too.

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Rasa Von Werder aka Kelllie everts aka MotherGod 1 second ago

Teresa – what you wrote is so brilliant & educational it is going into one of my books. I am selecting certain statements from posts, face book, here & elsewhere, for these books - & your explanation is one of the most interesting I have ever read. – Bravo!

Pierre is screaming to us,

“I am in pain. I am afraid. I don’t want to die! I don’t want Mother God to exterminate me!”

He is a pitiful, frightened man, a child who needs a Mother to love & protect him. (BrainFire has been extremely kind & gracious to this screaming menace) But these kind of men are wearing us out. They have done & continue to do, so much damage.

Just as women are now stepping forward & taking over the save the planet & repair it, damaged males like Pierre rant & rave against us to try & slow us down.

That is their very nature – they cannot be trusted or in this case, catered to, as all they do is destroy. Pierre is trying to destroy the valid points in the thread, especially standing against Dr. Bryan Sykes – which is patently ridiculous - & you gave the best answer why he cannot be taken down.

There is another geneticist at London University, Steve Jones, who also agrees with what Bryan Sykes said, in his book,

“Y – The Descent of Men.”

Dr. Bryan Sykes is by no means alone or without peer support! There is actually no one in the field that can stand up to his findings. Dr. David Page tried & failed – Dr. Sykes explains how he failed. (It was a hard-won but pathetic attempt to say maybe we can forestall male extinction.)

Let’s face it, Mother God doesn’t want men around. Neither do I, since I will never disagree with God. This does not mean I hate men or don’t want to have sex with them. I go out with hotties every weekend & planning to build a harem. But as far as their influence on earth, they are the most destructive animal that ever lived & they have to go, & when they are gone, the earth & all life will breath a sigh of relief!

Tidbits from Steve Jones:

Over the last 40 years, though, sperm counts have been falling dramatically. More ominously - for males at least - all the warning signals from the newly dawning clone age suggest that, in the not too distant future, sperm will not be needed at all for procreation. Dolly, the infamous, and much misunderstood sheep, was conceived without masculine assistance. Recently, things have got even wackier: scientists have succeeded in reducing the body cell of a female mouse to half its normal DNA content, and then using it to fertilise the egg of another mouse. The result is a male offspring that has two mothers and no father. Science, it seems, is suddenly telling us what feminists have been saying all along: the future is female.

In the final chapter of his new book, Y: The Descent of Men, Professor Steve Jones writes: 'Perhaps... science will cause nature to return to its original and feminine state and men themselves to fade from view.' He is speaking here, as scientists tend to when making predictions, of the bigger picture, of a time maybe five million years hence. The immediate future, though, is not looking so bright for men either. While we have been self-obsessing about the so-called crisis in masculinity, science is telling us that an infinitely bigger crisis is occurring, and one which is not emotional nor social, but biological. Put simply, men are in terminal trouble, and that trouble is linked to the Y chromosome that defines them. 'The chromosome unique to men is a microscopic metaphor for those who bear it,' Jones concludes. 'For it is the most decayed, redundant and parasitic of the lot... From sperm count to social status, and from fertilisation to death, as civilisation advances those who bear Y chromosomes are in relative decline.'

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BrainFire – where do you get the patience? He just needs to be slapped silly.

And re. Rambo revenge:  males will be slapped silly in courts of law, in enforcement of laws– in new laws that will outlaw their behavior.  Men will be under the control of women by legislation not through discrimination but JUSTICE & through ENFORCEMENT of what already exists.

Men are raping, molesting children, & doing untold damage to the minds, hearts & bodies of others.  This is human & animal – all the same.  Animals are people, people are animals.  Look at the violence done to animals on factory farms & slaughter houses (& in homes, farms, pet stores, zoos, caged hunts, reserves, horse & dog races, mostly done by males...animals that get hurt or wear out get killed on the spot or just discarded like garbage).  If you study the animal-rights links, you will want to faint from exasperation -  99 or more percent of this is done by human males, including boys that the males are training to be like when they “grow up.”

The male world is pure evil, pure violence, no compassion, no caring, no empathy, just pure, cold hearted evil, discrimination, exploitation atrocities, greed & genocides.  The sooner they are gone the better.

I cannot picture females going on rampages like men, doing atrocities & genocides.  But I can picture women passing new laws & enforcing them, as well as PREVENTING MEN’S CRIMES.  Example – I have often said never leave a man alone with a child.  Eventually all women will awaken to this & follow it.  Right now in Canada, males are not allowed to have anything to do with day care.  This is righteous as males are extremely dangerous to ANY CREATURE THAT CANNOT DEFEND ITSELF.  This would be children, women, many animals, the sick, retarded, & smaller, weaker, vulnerable males.

When a grown woman is alone with a male she always fears the possibility of his violence.

So why would that same woman, then, turn around, & leave a helpless child with a grown male?  Do you know what males do to children?  They begin molesting them in diapers.  50% of all girls & 25% of all boys in America are molested by their own Dads - this does not include Grandfathers, uncles, boyfriends & other men.  What can an infant in diapers to a a man standing over it, putting his penis over her body, her mouth or vagina, or anus?  How can a two year old stop a male from breaking her hymen & inserting his penis painfully into her vagina, or a boy stop his Dad from entering his anus?  This happens EVERY DAY in homes throughout the world – millions of times. 

In Matriarchy, males were almost never alone with children.  There were always women around in an extended clan – males were not asked to baby sit.

This will be a major change in Matriarchy – a facing of the facts based on statistics, studies & experience, based on the crimes of males, & women will prevent continual damage.

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teresa8go

Pierre wrote >No Rambo Revenge-Fantasies for you, Teresa. Men will band together and block women, stop listening to tricks like trying to appeal to their chivalrous impulses. Maybe we'll even start the crematoria camps, just for women.<

Pierre, having Rambo Revenge-Fantasies are beneath me.

I see what's occurring now as the swing of a pendulum. Nothing more than that.

As to everything else you wrote it made me chuckle.

If you were trying to intimidate me you failed. There isn't a man alive who can intimidate me. As a child I prevented a child molester from taking a young girl. As an a teenager I stopped a young man twice my size and a whole lot stronger from beating up a boy a few years younger than I was. As an adult I have stopped a man from beating up his girl friend and also physically restrained a man to stop a bar fight.

Making the comments that you have made only speaks of a desperate attempt to improve your own self esteem. Did it work?

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teresa8go

Thanks Rasa! I was just keeping Pierre busy while you were away having fun.

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gguy

Ms. Von Werder, Frankly I find it crazy that there is still some debate going on as far as gender status, those of us males that have already crossed over and are working for the winning side find it embarassing and frustrating.The time spent dealing with people like Pierre would be much better spent teaching us what our duties and responsibilities in a Female led world. It is great to be on this hub with yourself, Brainfire, and Teresa, a trio of Modern Alpha Females

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Rasa Von Werder aka Kelllie everts aka MotherGod 8 minutes ago

BrainFire – where do you get the patience? He just needs to be slapped silly.

And re. Rambo revenge: males will be slapped silly in courts of law, in enforcement of laws– in new laws that will outlaw their behavior. Men will be under the control of women by legislation not through discrimination but JUSTICE & through ENFORCEMENT of what already exists.

Men are raping, molesting children, & doing untold damage to the minds, hearts & bodies of others. This is human & animal – all the same. Animals are people, people are animals. Look at the violence done to animals on factory farms & slaughter houses (& in homes, farms, pet stores, zoos, caged hunts, reserves, horse & dog races, mostly done by males...animals that get hurt or wear out get killed on the spot or just discarded like garbage). If you study the animal-rights links, you will want to faint from exasperation - 99 or more percent of this is done by human males, including boys that the males are training to be like when they “grow up.”

The male world is pure evil, pure violence, no compassion, no caring, no empathy, just pure, cold hearted evil, discrimination, exploitation atrocities, greed & genocides. The sooner they are gone the better.

I cannot picture females going on rampages like men, doing atrocities & genocides. But I can picture women passing new laws & enforcing them, as well as PREVENTING MEN’S CRIMES. Example – I have often said never leave a man alone with a child. Eventually all women will awaken to this & follow it. Right now in Canada, males are not allowed to have anything to do with day care. This is righteous as males are extremely dangerous to ANY CREATURE THAT CANNOT DEFEND ITSELF. This would be children, women, many animals, the sick, retarded, & smaller, weaker, vulnerable males.

When a grown woman is alone with a male she always fears the possibility of his violence.

So why would that same woman, then, turn around, & leave a helpless child with a grown male? Do you know what males do to children? They begin molesting them in diapers. 50% of all girls & 25% of all boys in America are molested by their own Dads - this does not include Grandfathers, uncles, boyfriends & other men. What can an infant in diapers to a  man standing over it, putting his penis over her body, her mouth or vagina, or anus? How can a two year old stop a male from breaking her hymen & inserting his penis painfully into her vagina, or a boy stop his Dad from entering his anus? This happens EVERY DAY in homes throughout the world – millions of times.

In Matriarchy, males were almost never alone with children. There were always women around in an extended clan – males were not asked to baby sit.

This will be a major change in Matriarchy – a facing of the facts based on statistics, studies & experience, based on the crimes of males, & women will prevent continual damage.

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Rasa Von Werder aka Kellie Everts aka MotherGod

thanks gguy & Teresa, Brainfire, Steve & friends - there is a lot of good stuff being posted here.

gguy - I do agree some of the time responding to idiots is wasted, but one thing I always keep in mind is the audience. There are many watching, reading, listening. We post for them, answering the numbskulls. Many of these people would have no idea what to say, & they learn.

And yes, we are always looking to teach males how they will behave in a woman-respecting world. Basically, show respect, do not try to dominate, & in some cases, venerate or worship women as the embodiment of God. You might say it's goes both ways but in honesty women have been worshiping males for a long time now, respecting all their needs, catering to them, serving their bodies. The men need to do the same for us, it's our turn. It really isn't difficult - just do it! And women must expect it, believe they are worthy, & demand this from their men!

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gguy

Ms. Von Werder, Thank You for your kind words

gguy

It also goes beyond doing as we are told, to figuiring out what Women want before they need to tell us, Brainfire has been counciling me on this concept, it's called "intuitive obedience"

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BrainFire

I do indeed wish to thank all of you, with love and gratitude for all your support. Especially Rasa, (Mother...my elder, whom I greatly respect, love and honor), gguy, teresa8go, Bard, wabond, gluearticlepro, and all others, including pierre. I include pierre because he hands over his power to us, by displaying very emotional cries for help, as Mother indicated. He can only speak of what he knows. When one does this, it becomes known the level of development he has reached, or the lack thereof.

 

It's perfectly fine for him to defend the tyrannical forces that have destroyed our planet, and committed endless documented crimes against humanity. I expect him to do that. What he has failed to realize that even though he may be spewing negativity, it still inevitably brings even more attention to the Matriarchs, to the positive side. Yes I will be there to meet and greet him with the actual facts of current world status. He has been held hostage now for over 40 years or so by the patriarchal tyrants. He is the end product of their violent efforts to mold him into hate and violence. He will now be used as an example of the profound damage that can be caused by tyrants who rule by force. He is their product, not ours.

Now the world knows, and has witnessed his ignorance, and limited education of what the meaning of life is. He is a case I would enjoy studying for sure. With pierre,(should he wish to be a real man and come forth with this data) I can demonstrate all that I say through exposing his levels of nutrients, toxicities, poisons from foods he has consumed, environmental factors he has been exposed to, everything he is lacking chemically, and so much more. The end conclusion would simply prove what I have been saying for over 20 years now. The male population has been rendered useless, and they are greatly affected by everything I have identified in a mathematical break down. The entire array of mathematical facts combined with the discovered scientific facts prove beyond a shadow of any doubt that Matriarchy is the answer. It has always been the answer, and will absolutely prevail for the future of humanity, and indigenous life on this planet.

May the haunting begin, pierre. Please think of Rasa, and I when you view your next porn pic, or playboy magazine. You can come out of the closet now, and hand the torch to whom it belongs to. Your violent reign is over, where'ya been silly boy? Did we wake you?

All moments of life that advance us to the future...are relevant. Including the pierres of the world. They help reinforce our position (Matriarchal Rule) by continuing to demonstrate what has failed previously. He is supporting us right now, inviting himself into the den of Matriarchs, and attempting to take a stand for the loosing side. It's appropriate to his limited comprehension level of the big picture. Should he survive in his violent little world, he will be part of the third group of people who finally give up, and come forth...later. Our trial and tribulation is now, and he is a part of our rise to success, for the good of our planet, humanity, and all it's creatures. Thank you pierre, you have done a beautiful job in relaying your message of the tyrannical patriarchs. We are glad to have identified you.

I hope you are able to read between the lines, and find a less perilous path, than the one you have chosen. May LOVE find you, and grow deeply within your heart.

Love to all!

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Friends – BrainFire – Our work on this thread has not gone unnoticed, as Steve sent me the stats & 923 views are VERY GOOD!  After all, only about five of us are posting regularly, the rest must be others!

BrainFire, the way you express yourself is the maternal way, so that even when you discipline someone you show mercy.  This is the opposite of Patriarchs.  When they post they post TO KILL or render brutal damage, that is how they behave, & I learned from them to fight the same way because IN A WAR you have to KILL THEM before they KILL YOU.  Obviously it is psychological warfare, not physical.  The males attack ad hominem & below the belt, with no fairness or mercy, only wanting to do harm – this is their style, their stock in trade.  They become crude, rude & SPARE NOTHING in their insults.  I’ve been debating them internet wise for seven years now & I know how to defeat them, render them helpless.  I have shut down many a man who tried to abuse me, & a few bytch women too.

I did not use all my guns on Pierre as he is too pathetic & transparent, but there are males I took down so hard they wrote me personally & threatened all kinds of harm.  Hahaha, typical behavior.  If & when they have power – they do harm – that’s why they must never have power, their instincts are toward violence.

So you, BrainFire, are speaking like a Jesus or a compassionate Matriarch; I often speak like a warrior or leader of the army of Mother God –

“IT’S THEM OR US.”

The reason I took this stance is most women are so compassionate they stand like sheep before wolves, & the wolves devour them.  They mistake KINDNESS FOR WEAKNESS & to women who open the door or window to them; they slide in like a snake, thereupon hurting them.  Then when the woman complains, they say

“You knew I was a snake – but you let me in! It’s your own fault.”

What I have learned from experience is once they start attacking they only want one thing – to destroy you.  They almost never back down or change their views – they are emotionally hysterical & reacting from the lower nature, to de facto beat you up.  So the moment males have tried really hard to beat me up, I beat them up worse, so they couldn’t get up any more.  I knock them out.  This happened many times.

These guys don’t know when to stop slugging & even though they make little to no sense, they won’t stop moving their pie holes.

I do have a big compassionate & merciful side, but that is used on the males who agree, who do no harm, who help with the cause.  They are either friends or enemies, the enemies get defeated.

Women, who by nature are compassionate, I think have to start using their disciplinary power on men, be tougher than what they are – yes – be like Jesus at time, as BrainFire here demonstrates – but at other times you have to give them the “Rasa punch” or just knock them out.  Reminds me of the lady that got beaten by her husband, brutally, many times.  One day while he was asleep she took a full bottle of whiskey & broke it over his head.  Then she called emergency to take him for treatment.  He never beat her up again.  Is this violence?  No, it’s SELF DEFENSE. 

There is much to say about the gender war.  It’s a real war, the original one.  Had they not temporarily defeated us, they could never have done all this harm.  William Bond made a face book called “The Mother of all Conspiracies” after I said, “The first conspiracy was against women.”

There are many facets to battle, to war.  But it’s always them who start it.  I call it “fear biting” because they are really, truly, desperately afraid of us.  They know we are superior, they know we are their Mothers, they want to destroy their own Mothers, now Mother is destroying them.

The Future of Male / Female Relationships

 

http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/the-future-of-male---female-relationships/5279441

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teresa8go 

Pierre wrote > Oxford professors should STILL not be trusted if they are self-publishing their thoughts, rather than agreeing to subject their ideas to peer-reviewed scientific scrutiny.<
I am shocked to see that you are still ranting about this peer-reviewed scientific scrutiny. Being a man of science that you are, I would have thought that you were taught in college, or at the very least learned of it through where you work, that all to often scientific work that goes against the accepted scientific theories are never published in a scientific journal. It doesn't matter how methodical the processes, how accurate the findings are, or how much evidence there is if the results point to something that contradicts the widely "acceptable" scientific theories the work is squashed and the scientist doing the work suffers sometimes severe damage to his professional career.
I am not alone in this opinion. Richard Horton, editor of the British medical journal The Lancet (which is one of the most respected general medical journals around), has said that "The mistake, of course, is to have thought that peer review was any more than a crude means of discovering the acceptability — not the validity — of a new finding. Editors and scientists alike insist on the pivotal importance of peer review. We portray peer review to the public as a quasi-sacred process that helps to make science our most objective truth teller. But we know that the system of peer review is biased, unjust, unaccountable, incomplete, easily fixed, often insulting, usually ignorant, occasionally foolish, and frequently wrong."
A good example of just how closed minded Scientific Academia truly is is the work done by Michael Cremo in his book "Forbidden Archeology". In this book Cremo has a ton of archeological evidence that has been ignored by the scientific establishment and relinquished to the basements of museums and universities around the world just because they couldn't fit them into the widely accepted theories of mankind's existence.
"If it doesn't fit, get rid of it" seems to be a general rule of thumb the scientific establishment uses to maintain the status quo. You have written that you are open minded but, it seems that you are no more open minded than the scientific establishment you love so well. If you truly were open minded you would not need others in the scientific community to tell you what to believe. You seem intelligent enough to make up your own mind so why do you need others to decide for you what is valid and what is not.
Pierre wrote >I am ALSO trying to get an answer as to how male DNA can "crumble"...
<From a book review at the LBA Literary Agency I will quote a short answer to your question.
"Genetically speaking, the only difference between men and women is that where women have two X chromosomes, men have one X and one Y. This one chromosome difference, out of a total of forty-six, holds the key to understanding the huge difference between the sexes.
But a closer look at the all-important Y chromosome reveals some shocking news for men. It is getting smaller. As the generations pass the Y chromosome is being cannibilized by the female genome and worn away by its own inability to recombine. Women are winning the evolutionary battle of the sexes. "
If you are truly open minded as you state you are why don't you go to a library, check out the book and read it for yourself.

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Teresa – what you wrote is so brilliant & educational it is going into one of my books.  I am selecting certain statements from posts, face book, here & elsewhere, for these books - & your explanation is one of the most interesting I have ever read. – Bravo!

Pierre is screaming to us,

“I am in pain.  I am afraid.  I don’t want to die!  I don’t want Mother God to exterminate me!”

He is a pitiful, frightened man, a child who needs a Mother to love & protect him.  (BrainFire has been extremely kind & gracious to this screaming menace)  But these kind of men are wearing us out.  They have done & continue to do, so much damage.

Just as women are now stepping forward & taking over the save the planet & repair it, damaged males like Pierre rant & rave against us to try & slow us down. 

That is their very nature – they cannot be trusted or in this case, catered to, as all they do is destroy.  Pierre is trying to destroy the valid points in the thread, especially standing against Dr. Bryan Sykes – which is patently ridiculous - & you gave the best answer why he cannot be taken down.

There is another geneticist at London University , Steve Jones, who also agrees with what Bryan Sykes said, in his book,

“Y – The Descent of Men.”

Dr. Bryan Sykes is by no means alone or without peer support!  There is actually no one in the field that can stand up to his findings.  Dr. David Page tried & failed – Dr. Sykes explains how he failed.  (It was a hard-won but pathetic attempt to say maybe we can forestall male extinction.)

Let’s face it, Mother God doesn’t want men around.  Neither do I, since I will never disagree with God.  This does not mean I hate men or don’t want to have sex with them.  I go out with hotties every weekend & planning to build a harem.  But as far as their influence on earth, they are the most destructive animal that ever lived & they have to go, & when they are gone, the earth & all life will breath a sigh of relief!

Tidbits from Steve Jones:

Over the last 40 years, though, sperm counts have been falling dramatically. More ominously - for males at least - all the warning signals from the newly dawning clone age suggest that, in the not too distant future, sperm will not be needed at all for procreation. Dolly, the infamous, and much misunderstood sheep, was conceived without masculine assistance. Recently, things have got even wackier: scientists have succeeded in reducing the body cell of a female mouse to half its normal DNA content, and then using it to fertilise the egg of another mouse. The result is a male offspring that has two mothers and no father. Science, it seems, is suddenly telling us what feminists have been saying all along: the future is female.
In the final chapter of his new book, Y: The Descent of Men, Professor Steve Jones writes: 'Perhaps... science will cause nature to return to its original and feminine state and men themselves to fade from view.' He is speaking here, as scientists tend to when making predictions, of the bigger picture, of a time maybe five million years hence. The immediate future, though, is not looking so bright for men either. While we have been self-obsessing about the so-called crisis in masculinity, science is telling us that an infinitely bigger crisis is occurring, and one which is not emotional nor social, but biological. Put simply, men are in terminal trouble, and that trouble is linked to the Y chromosome that defines them. 'The chromosome unique to men is a microscopic metaphor for those who bear it,' Jones concludes. 'For it is the most decayed, redundant and parasitic of the lot... From sperm count to social status, and from fertilisation to death, as civilisation advances those who bear Y chromosomes are in relative decline.'

http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2002/sep/15/scienceandnature.science

END OF SPERM REPORT!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2002/sep/15/scienceandnature.science

End of sperm report

Geneticist Steve Jones says science is now telling us what feminists knew all along - the future is female. The male of the species is doomed as the Y chromosome withers away

    * Sean O'Hagan

    * The Observer, Sunday 15 September 2002

Here are some interesting biological facts about the male of the species. Most boys, a month or so before birth, have an erection for about an hour a day. At 20, nearly all young men are in a state of sexual arousal for three hours out of every 24 - though most of these erections occur during sleep. Every time a man has sex, he produces enough sperm to fertilise every woman in Europe . In an average lifetime, he will produce two thousand billion sperm.

On the down side, as it were, all this excessive over-production amounts to relatively little. In the involved and obstacle-strewn act of procreation, each single sperm makes a journey that, in terms of its own length, is the equivalent of the distance from London to Edinburgh . Only a few hundred survive, and just one makes it into the egg. Over the last 40 years, though, sperm counts have been falling dramatically. More ominously - for males at least - all the warning signals from the newly dawning clone age suggest that, in the not too distant future, sperm will not be needed at all for procreation. Dolly, the infamous, and much misunderstood sheep, was conceived without masculine assistance. Recently, things have got even wackier: scientists have succeeded in reducing the body cell of a female mouse to half its normal DNA content, and then using it to fertilise the egg of another mouse. The result is a male offspring that has two mothers and no father. Science, it seems, is suddenly telling us what feminists have been saying all along: the future is female.

In the final chapter of his new book, Y: The Descent of Men, Professor Steve Jones writes: 'Perhaps... science will cause nature to return to its original and feminine state and men themselves to fade from view.' He is speaking here, as scientists tend to when making predictions, of the bigger picture, of a time maybe five million years hence. The immediate future, though, is not looking so bright for men either. While we have been self-obsessing about the so-called crisis in masculinity, science is telling us that an infinitely bigger crisis is occurring, and one which is not emotional nor social, but biological. Put simply, men are in terminal trouble, and that trouble is linked to the Y chromosome that defines them. 'The chromosome unique to men is a microscopic metaphor for those who bear it,' Jones concludes. 'For it is the most decayed, redundant and parasitic of the lot... From sperm count to social status, and from fertilisation to death, as civilisation advances those who bear Y chromosomes are in relative decline.'

The author of this apocalyptic study of male biological decay and decline seems remarkably unperturbed by the litany of bad news he has recounted in his remarkable and eminently readable book of evidence. Shoeless, he is reclining on a huge couch in the upstairs living room of the spacious house in London 's Camden Square that he shares with television documentary producer, Norma Percy. On the walls, there are numerous drawings and watercolours of snails, whose biology Jones has studied in depth for the last 40-odd years. He has that slightly crumpled look that my old science teacher had, but, thankfully, is a whole lot more patient, answering my stumbling, layman's questions about biology and genetics with a mixture of benign understanding and an often disorienting attention to evidential detail. Jones talks like he writes: precisely, sometimes provocatively, and with a tendency to deliver the most mind-blowing information in an almost throwaway manner. It's just that, as in the book, all the dizzying, encoded semantics of hard science keeps getting in the way. When transcribing the tape afterwards, I lose count of the number of times I ask him to 'run that one past me again'.

Nevertheless, alongside the altogether more combative Richard Dawkins, he is as close to a populariser as contemporary cutting-edge science gets. An earlier book, The Language of the Genes , was a surprise bestseller, one of the first to alert publishers to a new and lucrative audience eager to make some sense of the brave new world of genetic science. His previous work, Almost Like A Whale, was, he says, a 'pastiche' of his hero, Charles Darwin's seminal study, On the Origin of Species. The new book, apparently, is a 'parody' of Darwin 's The Descent of Man and Selection in Relation to Sex. Jones wrote both, he says, for money, citing his hero in his defence - ' Origin of the Species was a popular science book written in a hurry.'

Jones was born in Wales . His grandparents were 'dyed-in-the-wool Protestants', while both his parents 'escaped' into science. He underwent 'the ultimate form of sophisticated torture' at a boys' school in Birkenhead , where, he admits, he was 'a bit of a nerd'. He enrolled at Edinburgh University in 1962, having been 'turned down everywhere else', and, almost by accident, found himself in the best genetics' department in Europe . He remained there for 10 years, but talks with some regret about having 'wasted much of my career working on the emptiest subject, the genetics of snails, while many of my contemporaries have turned into the best cutting-edge genetic biologists of our time'.

Jones's populist books, one senses, are a late attempt to make up for all this squandered time. He refers to himself as 'an old-fashioned pinko', and his drive to popularise science, and genetics in particular, may be motivated to some degree by a lingering socialistic desire to educate, and even empower, the masses. His prose is pithy, often arresting. 'Ejaculate, if you are so minded and equipped, into a glass of chilled Perrier' runs the opening sentence of his new book, which, were it ever to make it onto school curriculums, would certainly solve the age-old problem of how to interest adolescent boys in science. The book's subtext is chilling: that which defines masculinity is also killing men. Tell me in simple terms, I plead, why the male Y chromosome is deteriorating.

'Basically,' he says, taking a deep breath, 'the Y chromosome is a male signifier. It evolves quite rapidly, but downhill. We now have the human DNA sequence and the surprise is to find that most of it is not functional. It's either decayed, or it's simply redundant. That's true for the entire human chromosome sequence. If you look at the Y, though, that truth is multiplied maybe 30 times. It's only got 20 genes on it, most of which are employed keeping the cell it's in alive.'

In his book, Jones predicts that the final upshot of this already sorry state of affairs will be a world without men - 'the Y chromosome will eventually disappear and be taken over by another sex-determining mechanism'. If this seems more Philip K. Dick than Darwin , Jones, even more disturbingly, cites the evolution of the common slug as a possible future role model for the evolution of men. 'I've just been in the Pyrenees working with slugs which are hermaphrodite. Again and again, you can see evolutionary lineages that have gone all-female. Now, it has to be said that they often fail, but you never see evolutionary images that go all-male.' 'Obviously not,' he adds, just in case I haven't quite got the picture. 'They would die.'

The more immediate bad news is that more of us are dying anyway. Men's cavalier attitude to their own health - just one in eight know where the prostate is located - is illustrated time and time again in the more scrotum-tightening medical sections of the book. The chapter entitled 'Hydraulics for Boys' will tell you much more than you ever need to know about the elaborate system of 'pumps, valves and fluids' that enable erection. Elsewhere, Jones shows that science often tries to kill us before it tries to cure us: food packaging, oestrogen in the water supply and feminising hormones in milk are all possible causes of the alarming decline in sperm counts across Europe . 'Something is going wrong with men,' says Jones, gravely, 'and we don't know what it is.' He professes bafflement at the often conflicting nature of the scientific literature on maleness. 'It's odd, but anything to do with men immediately begins to get shifty, unfocused.'

Having already taken on the 'determined ignorance' of the creationist lobby, and had his windows smashed more than once by one of their more irate members, Jones' current bête noire is the 'masculinity industry' that has burgeoned in American academia. His book, he says, is 'a counterblast to the enormous amount of literature on men which is 'just gas, just horse shit'. He was astounded to find a whole section of the same at UCLA, most of it, he says, 'dealing with so-called male dilemmas, and inner men trying to break out', all of it, 'meaningless and unreadable'.

I ask him if he has read Robert Bly's Iron John, the book that kick-started the whole genre of male emotional narcissism back in the early Nineties. He looks aghast. 'There's room for myth in people's lives but that is just badly written, clunking rubbish.' He shakes his head in despair. 'There are over 500 courses on men's studies in American universities. I mean, what the hell are they on about? This idea that if you understand how men work, emotionally or even biologically, the problems affecting men will simply go away. It's nonsense. Poverty or illiteracy is not just going to go away if men look deep within and find their warrior selves. These people are positing biological solutions to problems that are overwhelmingly social or political. The whole notion of men's studies falls on that argument to a considerable extent.'

In person, Jones is both affable and occasionally chippy - he mentions other scientists' salaries more than once. Science, you feel, has allowed him to refine his natural scepticism to an art. He is scathing about the Human Genome Organisation which he calls 'a money grabbing operation', but simultaneously self-deprecating: 'In the early Seventies, there was huge resentment among other biologists who were sitting on the sidelines sniping, like me.' He is singularly unimpressed, too, by the current tendency, voiced most loudly in the media, that genetics will be the answer to all our ills. 'Genetics as a whole is the great over-hyped science,' he says, 'and geneticists know that even if they don't say it. All that genetics really is is anatomy plus an enormous research group grant. It's what anatomists did in the fifteenth century - looking at the heart and seeing how it worked. Now, we are doing the same with DNA .'

Revealingly, too, the same kind of fears and superstitions attend genetics as once did anatomy. 'We are going through the body-snatching phase right now,' laughs Jones, 'and there are all these Burke and Hare attitudes towards geneticists - that they are playing God and that DNA is sacred. No, it's not. It's no more sacred than your toenails. Basically, we are not going to make long-term medical progress without understanding how the genes work.'

That said, we have entered an era where, as Jones puts it, 'the whole of medicine has become genetics', and where accordingly the ethics of science are going becoming almost as complex as the science itself. Human cloning, Jones insists, 'if it hasn't happened already, will happen soon for one reason or another'. Already, though, there are definitive ethical issues surrounding the taking, rather than the, making, of life. What genetics is mainly used for on a day-to-day clinical basis is pre-natal diagnosis, and pregnancy termination.

'Abortion is still an issue that causes huge ethical problems in many countries,' says Jones, 'but here, like so many things in Britain, it is simply glossed over because it's too unappealing. No one is going to blame a couple for terminating a pregnancy if muscular dystrophy or cystic fibrosis is diagnosed, but the issue now is where do you stop, and who decides. The gene for dwarfism was found a few years ago; it's a genetic error in the father's sperm. Now, people who are dwarfs are not ill in any real sense. They are valid functioning members of society, and much of the prejudice is gone, or so we'd like to think. It is not a severe birth defect but in nearly every case of pre-natal detection to date, there has been a termination. Now, there's an ethical problem but you don't ever hear about it amid all the ill-informed bollocks spouted about cloning.'

Steve Jones tells me that his aim in writing Y: The Descent of Men was to 'explore the new science of maleness in a no-bullshit way'. That, too, would seem to be his approach to all things scientific. 'There's a tendency these days to use science as a religion,' he says towards the end of our meeting, 'and to see geneticists as the high priests of that religion. But, the irony is that, as geneticists know more, they get less and less confident.'

'The one thing that scientists ought to be is humble,' he says, sounding for a second more like a priest than a professor, 'because they, more than anyone, know how little they can explain.'

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