Rules on Porn & Video Games

 

Discussion Re Sex etc Part 2     2-17-24

Begin with Pete Jackson:

   First, I would like to thank you to the highest heavens for NOT including corporal punishment in the Order. In the past I recall we have debated about this and I myself have long been against the practice overall.
   Secondly, the part about sexual and other education sounds like you are off to a great start. I have nothing else to add at the moment, but if I think of anything worthwhile I will.
   About porn, I personally don't think ALL porn (or erotica) should be forbidden. And not only because I loathe censorship in general, though that is part of it. First of all, how does one define it other than the cliche "I know it when I see it"? And there is indeed ethical erotica and porn out there that can even be called Feminist. But yes, I am well aware that male-dominated porn has a very dark side indeed.

   Perhaps the Order can designate an approved list of erotica that Members would not be forbidden from viewing? At least for people who are of age? That would be the best way to jam the culture IMHO.
   For video games, as a person who has long enjoyed video games myself since childhood, and still does, I would say that I would have to strongly disagree with prohibiting them. Especially for the large number of non-violent or minimally violent games (Google will provide a list for anyone interested). But even for the violent ones, I disagree with Grossman on that as well. IMHO, the research is very sketchy at best and borders in junk science overall. Christopher Ferguson does a great job refuting such research. I myself have played many many games, both violent and non-violent, and yet I have never killed, robbed, or otherwise victimized anyone, and have been in less than a handful of fistfights in my entire life, and zero since age 16. That is one thing we will just have to agree to disagree on I guess.
   Like with porn/erotica, instead of banning all games, how about allowing those on an approved list? Let's not throw out the baby with the bathwater.
   Otherwise, you are off to a great start. Keep up the great work!
   Best wishes,   Pete

William Bond adds:

HI Rasa

   The only comment I would like to make about porn is that it becomes addictive because it doesn’t satisfy men’s real needs. Men want to have intimate relationships with women, but patriarchal customs get in the way of this. Patriarchy insist on marriage and married couples have sex all the time when they first get married, but after a year they get bored with each other. So what is a man suppose to do? If is wrong if he has affairs, or goes to a prostitute, or uses porn. 

         *{From RASA:  What’s wrong with his hand?  Did it suddenly get paralyzed?  And what do women do under the same conditions?}*

   Women also have problems, if she likes sex with many different men she is labeled a slut or whore. This puts women off the whole idea of wanting sex with men.  So in the end men use porn as it becomes the easiest option of satisfying his sex urges in our anti-sexual patriarchal world.

  {From Rasa:  It is anti-sexual because it is PRO VIOLENCE – PRO WAR – See Origins of Sex & Violence from Dr. James W. Prescott}

  One other point is that some porn fantasies become extreme because porn is unsatisfying so more extreme fantasies have to be invented to get a man sexually aroused.

         *{Rasa says: Young males need little provocation to get hardons – it would be a blessing to them if they would desist. In school 14 years old, the boy across from me was always pushing his dick down.  The day I met my spiritual husband Nick he told me he masturbated 5 times a day – he was 19.  As he got more hooked on drugs, this diminished drastically – drugs partially take the place of sex.  Yes, older men might need help – but then, why desire hardons al lthe time?  Is it not a blessing for the sex drive to diminish to be able to think about things that might improve your Soul & eternal life? I was celibate for 31 years – for the first 2 years it was a struggle to forget sex, but I did it.  Those on the path of spiritual proficiency struggle to forget sex.  There’s goodness in that.}

I’ve never played video games so I don’t have any deep understanding of them. But we do know men like playing competitive games so it is a good idea to make sure these games are not harmful. But I suppose if games designers are influenced by the military who want to train men to kill then they are deliberately made to be harmful.   William

*{Rasa says:  All the ones pushed on me by ads were harmful & violent, more like you become a death machine or victim of them.  It’s not like the Tom & Jerry cartoons – they had violence in an innocent way.  These are not innocent – you imagine yourself a murderer & serial killer & the human psyche can accept the imagination as REAL on an unconscious level.}*

 

Pete Jackson says:

Thank you for your insights, William. 

Good points you made about porn.  IMHO the best we as a society can do about it, for the time being currently, is to "jam the culture" with as much ethical and feminist porn and erotica as we can, Adbusters-style, as an antidote for the often toxic stuff out there.  In contrast, banning it only shoves it underground, creates forbidden fruit and reactance theory, and ultimately makes it worse.

It's the Law of Eristic Escalation:  Imposition of Order = Escalation of Chaos.  Particularly when the order imposed arbitrarily and/or coercively.  Or as I like to call it, "politics in one lesson".

And fortunately, most video games out there are not designed or influenced by the military, though a few games clearly are.  There are a lot of great games out there of all different genres.  And like porn, they can be a great catharsis, something Freud would probably agree with today.  The debate goes all the way back to Plato vs Aristotle.

 

*{Rasa says:  Found this:

         Why you shouldn't play violent games?

Violent video games have been blamed for school shootings, increases in bullying, and violence towards women. Critics argue that these games desensitize players to violence, reward players for simulating violence, and teach children that violence is an acceptable way to resolve conflicts.

What video games cause aggression?

WASHINGTON - Playing violent video games like Doom, Wolfenstein 3D or Mortal Kombat can increase a person's aggressive thoughts, feelings and behavior both in laboratory settings and in actual life, according to two studies appearing in the April issue of the American Psychological Association's (APA) Journal…..

         Rasa adds: Pete, you said you have never been influencd by violent games to do anything of that sort.  That’s you.  But others maybe not be so lucky.  It’s like one person can smoke but doesn’t get cancer, but many do.

         But there’s another important pint I don’t find on the internet but in my journey as a Soul longing for God.

         Don’t you realize that the power of the IMAGINATION changes you from within?  I have read of Saints who IMAGINED how they would worship God if they had the means, for instance, Baba Muktananda said he IMAGINED serving God with GOLDEN GOBLETS & PLATES & this was received as if real.

         Consider the opposite:  You spit on -  throw mud & rocks AT GOD – an image of God – Saints, Jesus, Mary, any Holy Image.  How would that affect your soul?  As if you really did it, as God COUNTS THE INTENTION. An act done with love, even if it’s MISGUIDED will be accepted as love.  An act done with hate, desire to destroy even it it’s IMAGINARY will be engraved on your unconscious as REAL – to some degree!  Imagine doing EVIL to someone – again & again & again.  That’s CURSING - that’s sending ENERGY OF DOOM to them.  I have felt & heard people sending such energy to me & it can actually result in harm – an accident for instance. God protected me from serious harm when I was cursed SEVERAL TIMES, but it can happen if one is not spiritually protected.

         I believe a person can have a car or airplane accident because their partner is so base, has such negative thoughts; anger, jealousy, revenge, wishing harm, that it really happens.  IMO this happened to a top country/western female – she almost died in a car & then did die young in a plane crash.

         When a person prays for the whole world – positive vibes go out to whoever needs it.  I do this constantly.  Then again, those who play a video game murdering others might be – probably are – sending out vibes of murder, which can reach others on the level of energy.  You kow how powerful energy is – look at electricity.  Look at radiation.  Energy kills, or gives life.

         Prayer is energy – prayer can give life or take it away. Jesus cursed the fig tree, & the next day it had withered right from the roots. 

         Bottom line, your thoughts, wishes, feelings, desires have POWER. They change you on the inside. You don’t see the result, but it’s there. God sees it.}*     

        

Pete continues:

I would add that it is a paradox:  we definitely do NOT want a world where Women feel that they owe men sex or that they are somehow obligated to give men sex to appease them, no argument from me there.  But at the same time, it is obviously important for men to still have an outlet of some sort all the same.  In the current world at least, that is a niche that things like porn end up filling.  So jamming the culture with ethical and feminist porn and erotica is probably the least-worst solution at present.   Best wishes,  

Pete

         *{Rasa says:  Pete, I don’t have time to jam the world with feminist or any kind of porn, I want to establish a new Religion, Community & Order.  We get to, once again, the need to SATISFY MEN.  Why don’t they satisfy themselves with their hand?  Why do they always need outside stimulation? So they can blame porn {as did Ted Bundy} or blame the woman or the child {lots of abusers blame the child!}? If men would only use their hand more – while being alone - abuse would diminish.}*

 

From William:

I agree Pete that women shouldn't own men sex or appease men. But patriarchy goes out of it's way to punish sexual women. If a man has a lot of sex with many different women he is admired by other men but a women who has sex with many men is slut shamed. 

The point is that patriarchal attitudes about sex do not benefit either women or men. If - A woman doesn’t want to have sex with men because if she does, she is condemned for it. Then this doesn't benefit men because it means women are put off from having sex with men.  So patriarchy is bad for both men and women.  William

*{Rasa agrees}*

 

Pete returns with:

Very true and very well-said, William.  That I agree with 100%. It is yet another way in which patriarchy backfires on men.  Patriarchy is thus a very negative-sum game (lose-lose) for both genders, at least in the long run. No one is truly free when others are oppressed.  As Yuri Zavarotny noted, it may make some people wealthier or more powerful, and perhaps give them a short-term dopamine spike, but it does NOT make them happier in the long run.  Thus, it is not really in anyone's best interest.

(And to those utterly benighted "dicks in skirts" who slut-shame other Women in order to promote their own self-interest in a beggar-thy-neighbor game:  that is NOT a sisterhood, that is a cartel.)

As all three of us have noted before, ending slut-shaming and liberating Women's sexuality is the kill switch that will ultimately sound the death knell for patriarchy, God willing.

Thanks again for your insights,  Pete

 

Rasa adds:  Bottom line to this discussion, I will not take away my prohibition of male-domination pornography {forgot to say, also, it’s degrading to women} - & violent video games within our Order.

You quibble, Pete, abut what kind of pornography, what kind of video games.

Everyone knows what kind of porno I speak of.  It’s not just ‘erotica’ but that nasty, woman-degrading Mafia run pornography.

It’s not NUDITY – I’m hoping to have nude areas within our Order – indoor or outdoor pools or wooded areas, private, where we are free as birds.  After all, I am ‘Miss Nude Universe.’ It’s not being sexy or dressing sexy or dancing sexy or acting sexy.  It’s what I said it is.

And video games – The majority of non violent video games are for children - some for adults.  I did not speak of these.  I specifically said VIOLENT video games & I add now, especially those that are military style.

 

As for food – mentioned much earlier – I will ask that red meat be eaten only on Holidays, pork never except traces in store-bought soups, & hot dogs when outdoor grilling.  This is a Religious Order, not a free-for-all.  We can have some disciplines, again, it’s not an ‘anything goes’ deal.

 I hope to have meals like this, prepared by the Chef, vegetarian one day a week, non-vegetarian the rest of the week including fish, eggs & chicken, but with an emphasis on plant based foods, raw & cooked.  Each dinner could have sliced fruit placed in the middle of the table where diners can take pieces with their meal.  Or else a variety of salad fixings they can add to their plate.

We can handle vegan meals one day a month.  I would make it more often, but it might be a hardship.  Yes, I was a Fruitarian for one year & two months.  If anyone can do this it’ll be a way to get a STAR – like the stars Generals get.  If anyone can walk in my footsteps & be celibate 31 years, they get another star.  Various things that I did which were prodigious – that they duplicate -  get stars – we have Generals in the Order & if you see their stars, you’ll know they’re highly disciplined & self sacrificing.  I plan to have a lot of awards, prizes & medals in the Order to encourage our people to excel.