Part 5 New Order for Women

 

Many Questions Our Order Part 5 

3-5-24  - Multiple Issues - Lifestyle, Sex, Religion, Culture

  

Pete begins:

         Good evening, Rasa and William.   Here is the link to a reference page on my Vive La Difference! blog, about my own personal position statements on various issues.  That should answer a lot of questions one may have.  Feel free to  borrow any of it for your own writings as well, as much of it can come in handy.

 

https://thechaliceandtheflame.blogspot.com/p/blog-page.html

 

I have updated it several times recently, but since it goes all the way back to 2016, there may still be some outdated bits and pieces here and there.     Enjoy   Pete

 

Rasa responds:  Wow Pete, I started reading intended to read it all then realized that would be impossible.  It's a small book.  I shall work on it time & time again.  I agree with A LOT of what I read.

 

Pete rebounds:  When I said I was an anarchist when I was younger, I meant that I believed that the very concept of government should be phased out, and that the best kind of government was no government at all. Of course that was quite naive and impractical, and I no longer feel that way, but one can notice some residual biases in my views perhaps.

 

Rasa:  I take anarchist views as emotional rather than logical. A family, village, world cannot function without laws.  Religion cannot function without rules, neither can spirituality.  So it doesn’t make sense.

  In spirituality, even if one is GOOD & obeys the basics, there are ‘rules’ or conditions for improvement.  For instance, when a young man came to Jesus re how he could advance spiritually as he obeyed ‘all the Commandments,’ Jesus said, ‘Go, sell all you have, give to the poor, & follow me.’  I’ve been on a diet for 7 months & lost 25 lbs but then it stopped.  The last month I lost not one ounce. So I had to make a new RULE to advance.  I skipped dinner.  And in 2 days I lost 2 lbs, keeping this up I shall meet my goal.  But I had to keep a RULE.

“Spare the rod & spoil the chid,’

‘God chastises those whom She loves,’

is about RULES.

My constant prayer is ‘Correct me, my God.  Forgive me my sins, make me aware of them, stop me from wrong thoughts & feelings.’

Correction is education & sometimes it HURTS.  It’s laws & rules.  We cannot live or advance without them.

 

Pete adds:    

Again, note that some of what I wrote goes back to 2016 or so.  I try to update it as I go, but sometimes I forget to update parts of it.  Back then I had read some stuff by those academics who claimed to support Matriarchy, all while also claiming it was "egalitarian". That was clearly doublespeak on their part, as I know now.

Matriarchy can indeed be "egalitarian" if only looking the issue of *moral* equality, or human rights and the absence of classism and such.  But the academics often confuse the issue, deliberately it would seem.  (By academics I am referring largely to Heidi you know who)

I looked over my page again and only found the word "egalitarian" once, in reference to how things may start out organically on the road towards Matriarchy.  Otherwise, I generally don't use that word very much these days.     Best wishes and have a good night,  Pete

 

William brings in the cavalry:

Hi Everyone

Just to give my opinion on this. I’m sure it is possible for have a country where there is no government, rules and laws. But this is only possible if everyone loves as cares about each other. It is criminals that create laws. If no-one had a desire to rob, cheat or inflict violence onto others, then we can get rid of the majority of our laws. 

I would also say that a matriarchal government is not egalitarian. We have to define matriarchy as rule by women, not rule by men and women. But we can also point out that even though matriarchy is rule by only women it will be more equal than any patriarchal society. The reason is that patriarchy is always hierarchical in nature where there is a huge gap between rich and poor.

A true matriarchal government ruled by caring women with maternal instincts will care about the people, far more than any patriarchal government. So if a matriarchal government can eliminate poverty and homelessness and give people things like free health care a welfare state. Then this will eliminated the huge gap between rich and poor making it a more equal society. The elimination of poverty will greatly reduce crime, and this also reduce our need for more laws, police, lawyers and prisons.

 

Pete pipes in:

 You make some great points, William.   I am of course well aware that Matriarchy is not egalitarian in terms of gender.  In terms of moral equality of basic human rights and dignity, yes it could be called "egalitarian".  In terms of power, however, that would be a HARD NO.  Academic luuurrrve to confuse that issue in the "equality of what?" debate.  As I like to put it, Women would need to be, at the very least, the "Guardians of Liberty" to prevent men from taking over once again and keep any remaining rogue or psychopathic males in check.  But yes, with Women in charge and a generous enough welfare state, most crime and violence can indeed be eliminated, and yet both genders can still have plenty of individual liberty and sovereignty of body and mind, God willing.

 

Rasa appears:

William, I am so impressed by your vision I hardy have words.

         As usual William appears & says exactly what is necessary & true.  I never cease to be amazed by his raw vision.  Of course, in a loving world there's no need for so many LAWS!  People commit CRIMES, then laws are made to discourage such crimes.

The RULES of my Order being STRICT on men is because of being aware of their nature - which goes awry when not checked by women - & because of those who DO go awry, & there are SO MANY we must have rules to exclude or remove them.

Besides that our society is sick due to the Patriarchy & women have fallen also.  They have fallen in two ways - weakness & passivity - & turning ROTTEN or CORRUPT like evil men.  Their nature is still kinder then males, but it has been compromised.  And so our Order has to screen out 'bad' women as well as bad men for the good of the community.

Pete makes good points also especially re academics & their loving to confuse the issues of matriarchy/equality/egalitarianism, & doing double speak - forked tongues.  It's good to have Pete's vision because neither William nor I are academics – {Pete has a Masters degree so he knows what they’re up to} - & we aren't savvy about a lot they do.  We just reap their nasty habits.  Rasa

 

Pete rebounds:

Anarchy in today's world is unfortunately illogical and impractical as it were, largely because of the power vacuum it would create that would be inevitably filled with privatized tyranny, oligarchy, and ochlocracy (mob rule).  In such a vacuum, the strong will thus prey upon the weak and vulnerable to one degree or another.  Just like the pretzel logic of the LOLbertarians and glibertarians as well.

 

And indeed, Rasa, I fully understand why for the Order, Women need to separate from men and be strict with men overall.  My own personal vision for the outside world as a whole is of course much more integrated, co-ed, and looser overall, but trying to shoehorn that into your vision for the Order would be a major category error that would completely defeat its purpose.  We certainly agree on the macro level at least. 

 

Rasa adds:

  We had some sort of anarchy in the West, with the pioneers & ‘cowboys.’  It was rule by the gun, same as always, same as it is today except the mobsters have organized & made the laws & rules, some good, some bad, mostly for the sake of Male Rule.

         The pioneers were subject to both Indians {yes, some of them were good & saved pioneers} as well as our own people.  Example:  the Mormons fled violence on a trek to Utah.  After a while they were starving – many died.  A large group of pioneers were moving in the same direction - men, women & children & they met.  The Mormons murdered all the adults, kept the children {remember the Israelites, it’s a common practice it seems to ‘save the virgins’ – not sure if that includes boys} - & took their supplies.  That’s anarchy under the rule of males.

         Anarchy is lawlessness, lawlessness means evil – the opposite of ‘Love thy neighbor as thyself’ & ‘Do unto others as you would have others do unto you,’ & ‘Whatever you do to the least of these you do to me.’

         There are ‘laws of God’ {man-made of our own ideas & imagination of course—some from God, some not}, ‘common laws’ that later turn into legal laws of the land.  There cannot be a family, in Order, an organization, a village, a religion or a country without laws.  Lawlessness brings evil, violent men to the top.  Yes they are there now, but some of the laws also protect women & children & the good guys.           Rasa

 

  From Wikipedia – the Mosuos continued

 Customs[edit source]

Mosuo women

Coming of age[edit source]

The coming-of-age ceremony, which occurs at the age of thirteen, is one of the most important events in a Mosuo child's life. Before this ceremony, Mosuo children all dress the same and are restricted from certain aspects of Mosuo life, particularly those that involve religious rites. Also, a child who dies before this ceremony does not receive the traditional funeral. Once they come of age, girls are given their skirts, and boys are given their trousers (thus, it is called the "skirt ceremony" for girls, and the "trouser ceremony" for boys).^[20]

After coming of age, Mosuo females can get their own private bedroom, called a "flowering room"; and, once past puberty, can begin to invite partners for "walking marriages".

 

Rasa says:  We cannot condone or recommend sex before the legal age in each state, so that’s what it will be.  When our offspring or Members reach this age we allow them to make their own decisions.  Yes, we’ll have boys in our Order so that will require some thought & study, how we handle them.  For the girls we need to make some sort of safe habitat for them to meet males of their choice.  These males are screened – we’ discourage them from meeting random males & going somewhere with them. But how this will be done, when, were, is not yet determined.  We do NOT want any outside males coming to any of our villages  & certainly not the Mother Commune.  But where do we hold the dance gatherings, & where do the females meet their choices for sex?  The answer has not arrived at my brain yet, it needs further consideration – a vision from God.

 

 

Hearth[edit source]

This is the center of the household. It combines the worship of nature, ancestors, and spirits.^[10] Behind the hearth is a slab of stone (called guo zhuang in Chinese) and an ancestral altar where Mosuo household members leave a food offering. They do this before each meal, even when having tea.

 Rasa says: There will be a ‘hearth’ center at our Mother House/Commune as well as in the Long House of each Village.  This will be an evening meeting of commonality & togetherness. This is a large fireplace surrounded by 6’ of stone {make sure no embers reach a wooden floor} & of course, with adequate screening at all times except when we’re sitting there.  The schedule could go like this:

Every evening at 7 PM we introduce dancing in the large room or cafeteria – for one hour.  {We have a stage in each place for religious services & entertainment.} Some can dance on the stage, some on the floor; some can sit in chairs & dance {those who have infirmities, some of the elders, those who are tired from working all day.}

At 8:00 we have a gathering of everyone including children by the fireplace, for one hour.  Here we can give pep talks to the children {not those nasty lectures that are so common about obedience to elders, morality, put them on guilt trips - pleasant talks, stories that teach but no harass.}

At 9:00 all children, up to the age of 12, are sent to bed & the discussion or reading of the adults ensues.  This will be only for the females as we might discuss our gripes re men & also disclose personal problems that are to be kept private.  Teenage girls could ask questions here re the men they’re dating – questions that occur on male behavior.  Or there could be questions about how to proceed on an issue within the Order.  An Officer or Elder will open the discussion, asking,

“I there any problem in our Order someone would like to ask about?”  If not, then she goes to ‘Is there any personal question someone would like to discuss?  If nothing then we have books handy including those written by the Founder & her associates & other worthwhile books.  It can be educational or entertaining, but no pulp trash, only the well known classics that have eons of approval.

This goes on for one or more hours, depending on how badly the Members want to talk.  Some issues might be so deep it could delay our bedtime – that is alright.  When it gets late the woman in charge can close the meeting & off to bed.  An issue might arise that a Member does not want to disclose to the entire group.  She can then ask an officer or Elder for a private meeting.

Different schedules:  We will NOT all go to sleep at the same time.  It’ll be great to have those who wish to reverse the time clock – sleep in the day, stay up all night.  These are the watch women.  These women will monitor the premises, making sure all is safe – the fireplace is put out, no one trying to break in – no hazards or emergencies of any type.  There should be at least one such person awake all night at the Mother House & in eac Village – preferably two.

The Mother Commune will be walled in.  Only for the night we can bring two large guard dogs loose inside the court yard.  This will greatly deter any males trying to break in for any reason.  The woman/en awake monitors these dogs.  The Mother House has CATS, not dogs, as many dogs will make the place too noisy.  The villages each house can have its own dog of any kind.

The dogs should be the kind that are bred for guarding – German Shepherds are the best. I’ve had several kinds – Rottweiler, pit bulls, & Shepherds are the best. In the Villages, the woman/en, can walk the dogs through the commune, holding flashlights, make sure there are no intruders or stalkers hanging abut.  The dog can SMELL what they cannot see – they could flesh such persons out – the women should have weapons on them, like tazers, pepper spray & black jacks.

All our female Members will be tutored in self defense, martial arts, & whatever is convenient for us to teach them – where we can find paid or volunteer gurus.  The ones assigned to watch should especially pay attention & practice.  The best-talented women in defense will be asked to monitor any gatherings where men are permitted, & also where the might intrude, although uninvited. At the dance gatherings we shall have such women by the entrance & back exit with dogs – not too close to put shudders in people but close enough to take action if needed.

 I can imagine a fellow who has acted inappropriately because he’s besotted by a female at the dance.  He’s threatened her.  We ask him to exit & don’t come back. He comes back, becomes a nuisance. The guard lady approaches with the dog & tazer & politely asks him to leave & if he argues we tell him we’ll call the police.  This might not be the end, as some men are criminals & they are dangerous, it’s just one deterrent.

I’ve had men climb onto the roof where I was staying twice; I had a man climb over the iron gate of the apt I was staying & walk up & down the corridors looking for my rooms. I saw him pass my window.

I’ve had unwanted men pull into my driveway & annoy me.  I had one guy tried to break my door down by kicking it.  Many such experiences, don’t want to think of them all.  So don’t tell me I’m being too strict.  We’ll have many females including young ones & beautiful ones & don’t tell me they don’t need defense.  That also includes child protection from pedophiles – look at Jon Benet Ramsey & thousands of others.  Boys are at risk also.

Mosuos from Wikipedia, the hearth: “It combines the worship of nature, ancestors, and spirits”

Rasa:  This time of togetherness can also harbor prayer—especially in times of great stress.  If there’s some situation attacking the Order, or a fatal illness struck one of our Members, we can join in heartfelt prayer here.  It can be the rosary, we can take turns each imploring God for help, it pays to pray.  We can pray to come closer to God, make the right decisions for our future, anything. “The family that prays together stays together.”

Furthermore, we embrace various disciplines which strive for God, & the prayers, mantras or rituals of these different religions can be recited, if a member of such is present.  We might have Hindus, Wiccans, Buddhist or the like.  It’s not likely we’ll have strict Jews or Muslims because they must be baptized to be Members.  Certainly many Muslim women, especially young ones, would like to escape the confines of Islam & join us - they are welcome but secrecy & caution must be employed, these men do ‘honor killings.’

Dogs[edit source]

While some Asian cultures practice the custom of eating dogs, this is strictly forbidden to the Mosuo.^[10] In Mosuo culture, a myth describes that long ago, dogs had life spans of 60 years while humans had life spans of thirteen years. Humans felt their life span was too short, so they traded it with the dogs in exchange for paying homage to them.^[11] Therefore, dogs are valued members of the family. They are never killed, and they most certainly are never eaten. During the initiation rites into adulthood, Mosuo adolescents pray before the family dogs. 

 

Rasa:  We look upon all animals as Sacred, including dogs – they are as important as we are – never forget people are a breed of ape.  Praying before their dogs is nothing new or unusual – the Tsaatans of Mongolia {nomads who herd reindeer} designate a Sacred Reindeer who becomes their family symbol of God & Portal to Eternity – this reindeer is not forced to work or carry things, it tags along free of that.  It sits in front of their tent when they camp.  When the reindeer dies it’s urgent to get a new one & consecrate it, as the man who herds them says his children & family are unprotected without one.

  Bastet was the Cat Goddess in Ancient Egypt – cats do have special mystical antennas, they know when a person is dying in a nursing home, just before death, one cat would jump on their bed.

  The American Indians revere certain animals which are their tribe Icon – a bear, Eagle, crow, etc.  This is not ‘cute’ – it’s Sacred & religious.

 

Wikipedia on Mosuos:   Religion[edit source]

Religion is a major part of Mosuo life. It is made up of two coexisting beliefs: their own syncretic faith called Daba and the influence of Tibetan Buddhism.

Daba[edit source]

Daba has been a part of Mosuo culture for thousands of years, handed down through generations by word of mouth. It functions as a repository of most of the Mosuo culture and history. It is based on animistic principles and involves ancestor worship and the worship of a mother goddess: "The Mosuo are alone among their neighbors to have a guardian mother goddess rather than a patron warrior god".^[21]

The primary tasks of the priest (or shaman), also called daba, are to perform exorcisms and assist deceased spirits.^[10] Priests drink alcohol until they go into a trance and can converse with these spirits. Since the Mosuo have no written language, there is no religious script, nor is there a temple. All Daba priests are male, and they live in their mother's house with their brothers and sisters. When not pursuing their religious duties, they engage in everyday tasks such as fishing and herding.^[22]

On a day-to-day basis, Daba plays a far smaller role in the lives of the Mosuo. The daba is mostly called on to perform traditional ceremonies at key events, such as naming a child, a child's coming-of-age ceremony, a funeral, or special events such as the Spring Festival. The daba is also called on to perform specific rites if someone is sick.

A cultural crisis is emerging. Due to past Chinese government policies, which made being a Daba priest illegal (this policy has now ceased), there are very few remaining dabas, most of whom are old men. This leads some Mosuo to worry that Mosuo history and heritage may be lost when the current generation of Dabas are gone.

Buddhism[edit source]

Buddhism has started to play a larger role in their culture in recent years. Today Tibetan-style Buddhism is the predominant religion, but it has been somewhat adapted to Mosuo society. Like the Buddhist population of Tibet, both lay and monastic Buddhists among the Mosuo eat meat. Mosuo lamas offer prayers of thanks and prayers for the dead,^[10] offer basic religious and secular education to young children, and counsel adults. In families with more than one male child, one will most often be sent to be a monk.^[15]

The Mosuo even have their own "living Buddha", a man said to be a reincarnation of one of the great Tibetan spiritual leaders. He usually lives in Lijiang, but returns to the main Tibetan temple in Yongning for important spiritual holidays. Many Mosuo families will send at least one male to be trained as a monk, and in recent years, the number of such monks has increased quite significantly. The current Mosuo Living Buddha died of old age in April 2011.^{[citation needed]}

In most Mosuo homes, a statue of some Buddhist deity can be found above the cooking fire; the family will usually put a small portion of whatever they are cooking in the fire, as an offering to their deity. Tibetan Buddhist holidays and festivals are participated in by the entire Mosuo community.

Rasa says:  Our religion contains much.  I cannot put it all here as it will encompass several books – already has as I’ve written on Souls in Purgatory – two books – Seeing God face to face – one book – & the Divine Stigmata  one book.  These are all based on my personal spiritual experiences.

But what is our dogma or doctrine?  It’s an amended form of Catholicism plus acceptance of Buddhism, Wicca, animistic beliefs, agricultural pagan beliefs - honor & respect to all saints of all religions & acceptance of some tenets or parts of many religions, as long as they love God. 

To us, God is INFINITY & all that is contained within Infinity is the Body of God.  God did not create any religion – we did.  God accepts all religions as long as they are sincere & the person is doing their best.  God will answer each individual in the manner that they worship – there is no one TRUE or perfect religion, they are all parts, as none can encompass INFINITY.

The rules within some religions are tainted & corrupted by human desires – especially the ones we know of today, in modern times Patriarchal.  We clean out this corruption from the Catholic Church & what remains we believe.  Here is a bit about us:

 

CREED & etc of Us   3-3-24

 

         I pledge allegiance, to the Order, & to the Religion for which it stands, Woman, Thou Art God, & to the women, & their children with respect for all neighbors & love for all Creation under God.

 

                 The logo:  Picture an OVAL with points on each side.  There are 3 layers illustrated.  The top layer is a row of pyramidal evergreen trees, to represent Eternity.  The bottom layer is a cascade of roses, big in the middle, tapering to buds at the corners, white, to represent ‘the pure in Heart shall see God,’ & the middle layer is a row of red hearts to symbolize Love.  The background is light blue like the sky & water, symbolizing Creation.  Overall it means Eternal Love of God & Creation.

 

         This thought:  Whoever controls the children controls society & the future.  That is why men have attempted to SEPARATE the woman from her children, brainwashing everyone that the DAD is the head of the family, all must obey him.

 

         These ideas we put forth in the name of God, as it is not by force but ideas that the world is changed.  And ‘the pen is mightier than the sword.’

         Our Baptism to which all Members must concur:

 

         “I baptize thee in the name of the Mother, the Creation & the Holy Spirit.”

         Our Holy Mass is the Body & Blood of Jesus & Mary

 

         Our religious beliefs coincide with our political beliefs on Matriarchy.  We worship God as Mother.  We have female Priests – no male Priests allowed.  We have all female leaders in religion & all parts of life, starting with the family.  The Mother is Sacred & no man shall tell her what to do, she obeys her instinct & her fellow women.  Men tried to take away children from their Mothers in various ways, we hope to restore this bond.

         There should be honor & value put upon the Leader of the community not only physically but spiritually.  She’s seen as the one Anointed by God to lead – the way the Dalai Lama is in Tibet – she’s born for the job, she’s Anointed, & God will speak to her what is good for the community, do not look elsewhere for guidance.

         To be continued     Rasa Von Werder