Wednesday, 2 April 2025
Heating up! The Current Debate Over Abortion Rights (w/ Lila Rose)
Rasa's Stand on this: Former Abortion Doctor SPEAKS OUT
Re ABORTION – My Stand
To
Ajax & Friends: thank you
I want to study this more & give my stand
re abortion as I have never deeply thought it out & then explained my stand
- Probably because I had not the occasion to think it all out. Basically I
think it's a great evil - in some cases murder, in some cases sin BUT I do NOT
want to make it ILLEGAL! - Because they will then have to do 'kitchen table'
unsafe abortions if they seriously want/need one. However, if they want to PICKET - fine - if
they want to preach, teach against it, fine. Just don't make it illegal. As the
founder of our new religion I must make a thesis what I think - it is incumbent
upon me. And since this I have thought
deeply.
As
I said, this – especially when done later, say after 3-4 months – where they
blow up the infant then pull out the parts – is a very grave evil, - is it
killing or murder? Not legally murder, but morally, is it? - Could be. And
because it could be, we want to inform women exactly what goes on because I am
PRETTY SURE most of them have no idea because myself an educated woman – HAD NO
IDEA.
Let’s
see it from the point of view of the child! The doc said when he put in a
needle to stab the child, he COULD FEEL IT MOVING AWAY – that is probably in
the later stages. That means the child has SENSATION/FEELING – that means it
has awareness & pain. The doc said that to have its brain & body
develop, it has to have NERVES & this means sensations, & by this, the
child has sensitivity. This is a chilling fact. Most of us imagined the child
has no feelings until it’s born – but the babe often starts KICKING @ 4 months!
So of course it has feelings, senses & awareness. This is frightening.
AJAX (PETE) SAYS:
Indeed, well said, Rasa. Yes, there is a lot of nuance to this thorny issue, to be sure. Either way, I am still 100% pro-choice. If abortion must happen, better that it should happen as early in the pregnancy as humanly possible, as delaying it too long leads to precisely what this video describes, and is also far more dangerous for the Women in later stages as well. Those forced-birthers (what I like to call anti-choicers) who use this video to make a point end up making the OPPOSITE point of what they intend, lol. Of course, banning abortion was NEVER about saving babies, but rather done to control Women. Ditto for them wanting to take away birth control as well.
As for what goes on in an early abortion, rest assured that it is fortunately not anywhere near as grisly as later ones. Per Wikipedia, most of the early ones are simply done by suction (vacuum), or if very early they are alternatively done by giving a drug called mifepristone (formerly called RU-486) typically followed by misoprostol.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion
Now
here is my argument against those who want to FORCE women to have children
against their will & also in some cases turn them toward unsafe
abortions. Why does the patriarchy not
supply the TRUTH to each applicant for abortion – exactly what happens at each
stage of abortion, early & late. I don’t believe they do. Only the
anti-choicers MIGHT if you go to their place, if they have a place. But most
women won’t do that as they think its propaganda & these are the enemies of
their liberty.
AJAX (PETE) SAYS:
Generally speaking, as we have seen in recent years, the government putting ANY sort of restrictions on abortion and/or birth control is the "camel's nose under the tent", leading to further and further restrictions until Women lose all reproductive rights entirely. Thus, except perhaps for very later abortions, I generally believe that there should be NO legal restrictions on abortion. I am not a fan of abortion, but I believe banning or unduly restricting it does far more harm than good. We can certainly both agree on that, Rasa.
There
has to be EDUCATION & enlightenment to ALL WOMEN including BEFORE they get
pregnant! Girls & boys from an early age should be taught about prevention
& given ACCESS TO CONDOMS {my friend had a foster daughter & she HAD to
take her by law to receive as many free condoms as she wanted - & she did
take her – probably to Planned Parenthood - & the girl kept a diary of
multiple sex experiences she had which she left behind when her foster hood was
over – my lady friend was shocked & never took on a female again.} Condoms should be available to kids upon
request from age 13 – the statistics say that’s when they start having sex in
AJAX (PETE) SAYS:
Very true, Rasa. Fortunately, there are currently no age limits anywhere in the USA on buying condoms, and there haven't been for decades. (Thank God for small mercies in our otherwise ageist and sexually schizophrenic society!)
(Note to the reader that there are also plenty of other birth control methods out there today as well, each with its own set of pros and cons, which one is free to Google. Before the forced-birthers take those away, that is.)
Females
need to make an educated choice; first choice is to urgently USE CONDOMS. Second
choice, if you want an abortion, know what it is.
I take issue with women who use abortion {because it’s free, in some cases, in other cases, because they are idiots} as a form of BIRTH CONTROL. Either they prefer sex without a condom or they give in to the man who wants it that way. This is WRONG unless you want to have a child.
AJAX (PETE) SAYS:
At the very least, it is certainly a dumb thing to do! Condoms really need to be seen as "Standard Operating Procedure" (SOP) in the 21st century when it comes to any sort of penetrative sex. And furthermore, there are also plenty of sexual activities other than PIV intercourse (such as "outercourse," and also oral, etc.) that carry essentially zero risk of pregnancy. The dear reader is of course always free to Google it, lol.
On
another note – girls should be taught the ‘rhythm method.’ They are fertile
abut 4-5 days in between each period. If they keep a record they will know when
that is & avoid sex at that time. I did this & never got pregnant again
after the rape. People laugh at this method but it is science.
AJAX (PETE) SAYS:
Yes, it should be taught, BUT...at the risk of mansplaining here, I will nonetheless caution that the "rhythm method" (sometimes called "Vatican Roulette", lol) is not exactly the most user-friendly method, to put it mildly. That is, using it and relying on it by itself with no other method (this is the key part) is probably ill-advised, especially for young people. The reason is twofold: 1) lots of Women, especially younger ones, tend to have irregular cycles to one degree or another, reducing the method's accuracy, and 2) the part that almost no one says out loud: the days that Women are the most fertile are, not coincidentally, the same days that they are generally the HORNIEST on average, with a libido often exceeding that of men. Of course, the latter can be easily resolved simply by combining it with another method such as condoms, and/or having only non-penetrative sex on those days, but of course the Vatican would NEVER say that! So we should be sure to teach those two pitfalls as well, lest we set young Women up to fail. Just like teaching men to rely on the "pull and pray" method by itself is also ill-advised. But I digress....
This
‘is it murder’ issue also raises the question of killing in war. When a soldier
goes out to a country & BOMBS it, is it not murder? Because you are not
killing soldiers, the bomb does not discriminate. The bomb affects men, women
& children – mostly civilians, & they are killed & have
catastrophic injuries. Yet we do not call soldiers murderers, do we. And we also don’t call abortion docs
murderers – even though in some cases, they are. Ditto the female in some
cases.
AJAX (PETE) SAYS:
This highly complex and very nuanced question will have very varied answers depending on the circumstances and how late in the pregnancy it occurs, and is ultimately down to one person's conscience against another's IMHO.
I
don‘t believe a female should be permitted to have SERIAL ABORTIONS, as one
female doc said in an interview, a gal came to her who she had aborted 3 times
before & she wanted a 4th! The doc refused. This should not go
on.
AJAX (PETE) SAYS:
Morally speaking, I agree in that regard. Doctors should indeed be free to refuse to perform further elective abortions on any known "frequent fliers" per their own consciences IMHO. Fortunately, while serial abortions do indeed still happen with a sliver of the population, such a thing is far less common nowadays with today's younger generations, at least in the USA.
Now
to the CARE & CONCERN for females, especially very young ones – may wish to
undergo abortion because they have no husband or MATE to provide, no support,
no family that will assist them to live & take care of the child. They are
DESPERATE. In some cases also, society blames them for being pregnant. I do not
suggest those Catholic-type establishments like the ‘Magdalene laundries’ where
girls are considered immoral & shameful, put to work like slaves, their
babies taken from them & sold for adoption. This is exploitation &
cruelty.
I
suggest something BETTER than welfare & such places DO NOT EXIST. Perhaps I
should start there for our religion. Have a hostel for females who want an
abortion because they have no one to help. They don’t want to go on welfare,
they want to live a decent life, want to continue education or work – whatever
it is - even the adult trade like I did – strip teasing - Nothing wrong with
that. This dorm, hostel, motel, hotel, boarding school, would provide the
things I said I want to provide women. We take care of the child when she’s
away at school/training or work, she keeps the child without shame or fear of poverty.
AJAX (PETE) SAYS: Agreed, there should be. Excellent idea, Rasa! And I would also like to add that IMHO that the USA, the richest country in the world, really should have a "better than Nordic-style" social welfare state by now. Only the unbridled GREED by the oligarchy is the reason why we don't. And furthermore, the forced-birthers are truly flaming hypocrites for opposing such a thing.
Why
aren’t there places ike that? If the religious organizations were SINCERE - some
are not – THEY WOULD PROVIDE THIS. But they don’t. I think religions like
Catholics & Muslims simply want women to have more & more kids to
increase their numbers, their constituency, their income, their influence. They
are not about the woman, they are about their organization.
AJAX (PETE) SAYS:
Indeed, the patriarchal religions are run by flaming hypocrites with vested interests up the wazoo, so of course they won't do that. It's one big Ponzi scheme, pyramid scheme, and protection racket rolled into one, as is the larger patriarchy itself at base.
Very well said overall, Rasa. A lot to think about here indeed! Keep up the great work!