Men
Must Apply to Date Us
Rasa, I have been meaning to comment on this, but I kept on
forgetting over the years:
(There should be a record kept of
the relationships, when a man leaves a woman or a woman dismisses a man. He explains
why he left; she explains why she dismissed him. These records can be accessed
by any other woman who is interested.
In this way, males who are
unsatisfactory will not get away with what they do – if they are dismissed for
transgressions,– they cannot easily bounce around & affect other women.
Women will know ahead of time if there be any risks or detriments.)
I would add that there is nothing
inherently wrong with that, if such a thing is voluntary. But if such records
and reporting were mandatory, that would come dangerously close to the Chinese
"social credit" system with all of its myriad pitfalls. Most Women
would probably prefer to keep at least some trysts "off the record"
like the Mosuo often do. Just my $0.02.
Rasa says:
It's
an idea to be considered
From Pete:
What is
Short
answer: it's every totalitarian's dream come true.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Credit_System
Per Wikipedia:
"The Social Credit System (Chinese: 社会信用体系; pinyin: shèhuì xìnyòng tǐxì) is a national credit rating
and blacklist being developed by the government of China. The social credit
initiative calls for the establishment of a record system so that businesses,
individuals and government institutions can be tracked and evaluated for
trustworthiness. There are multiple forms of the social credit system being
experimented with, while the national regulatory method is based on
whitelisting (termed redlisting in
(And that's putting it nicely!)
"
"In December 2017, Human Rights Watch
described the proposed social credit system as "chilling" and filled
with arbitrary abuses."
And that was BEFORE the plandemic. And the WEF
(Davos Gang) allegedly wants something like that for the entire world.
It
doesn't take a rocket scientist to see what the pitfalls would be, *especially*
if it were applied to something as intimate as dating and mating. Anyone who
has worked in show business is likely familiar with the ominous threat, "you'll
never work in this town again", and social credit is, at best, a high tech
version of that, and likely crossed with classic McCarthyism.
As for what I would
suggest as an alternative way to protect Women from bad, evil, crappy, lowlife,
toxic, and/or ne'er-do-well men who persist in their defection and bad behavior
(i.e. that doesn't quite rise to the level of criminality but is still toxic)
and then bounce back and forth on to the next Woman and so on, I'm afraid I
unfortunately don't have any clear answers at this time. It is a classic
trade-off between liberty and security, it seems, and thus perhaps a problem
that may not have any solution in a free society.
It is just something we will have to accept, I guess. In any case, the Mosuo
don't seem to see the need for any sort of mandatory record keeping in that
regard, nor do any other Matriarchal societies past or present.
I will note that nowadays with the
advent of the internet, word travels fast in terms of reputation. Throw in
those ubiquitous Ring cameras, CCTV, and billions of smartphones with cameras,
and in practice, privacy has already dwindled almost to the level of Jeremy
Bentham's Panopticon, for better or worse. One partial solution in that vein
would be a *voluntary* registry that Women can post reviews about men (as long
as it is not libelous) without threat of censorship. Manosphere misogynistic
men already apparently have their own site called "Register Her", (to
the reader: do NOT look at it unless you really want to get in a rage!) so why
can't Women turn the tables and have their own side called "Register
Him", then? Again, *voluntary* is the key word here. And *decentralized*
as well.
Women could even do this right now if they wanted to. But it is ultimately
something for future generations to decide.
In my every deliberation on any such matters, I ask myself, if I knew I were to
die tomorrow and be reincarnated as a Woman, what sort of world would I want to
live in? And I nearly always keep coming back to the same answer.
Rasa says:
Wow
From Pete:
Indeed it is a war. But in the long run, it is
one that men have lost before the war began, despite winning nearly every
battle. Men just don't realize it yet. (Much like the
I guess the main reason why
I overreacted was due to my long observation that "cancel culture"
has really gotten out of hand in this country (and some others) in recent years,
where literally everyone is guilty until proven innocent in a court of public
opinion. It's the new McCarthyism. Once a person's reputation is ruined, and it
really doesn't take very much, their life is basically over, often forever.
That is largely why I so zealously and jealously guard my own reputation,
almost literally with my life. And both genders are indeed guilty of this
behavior nowadays, it seems.
(Any
readers who don't know what "cancel culture" is are free to Google
it.)
Combine
that with creeping Orwellian tendencies on both sides of the
I
am well aware that you are nothing like that, of course.
From Rasa:
We women will need to create
a Matriarchal culture & there hasn't been one for THOUSANDS of years - what
6k? And so we're grasping at straws, ideas how to make SAFE SPACE for women. I
have hundreds of ideas how we will build a community. I'm going over these
ideas one by one, this was just one of them.
I
don't see any other woman at this moment doing what I do - if there are, I
haven’t noticed. People mostly COMPLAIN but their remedies are not forthcoming.
I need solutions.
The Order becomes a safety
net so the Member does not FALL & hurt herself, the net is there to catch
her. The Order has the responsibility of looking the man up, seek references
which they check up on, check his police record. If he's had relationships we
know of, contact the women he's broke up with, see what they say. He must
confess if he's been married {any children?} or lived with anyone, & give
us where to contact them if he is willing. This part would help {it could be
awfully embarrassing but it would help us tremendously.}. We should also
FINGERPRINT the men in case there was or is a crime. We must know their
ADDRESS, legit phone number, where they work, & their license & car.
We keep this info private. But if a female wants to start DATING one of
the males, she can ask to see his records while under the supervision of an
officer. If she hasn’t gone out with him
yet, the officer can discuss with her his records in general without giving all
the information. If it gets serious she should
have access to all the data – not to keep – just to inspect it. It stays private.
Now a
lot of men will recoil at this! They are mostly looking to get laid, but that
is their problem. Our problem - we must look after ourselves - is to get what
we want, whatever it is, without any bad side effects. Therefore the net.
Some women will want to just have sex.
They might want to get pregnant, even, & keep the baby without a father.
They might like the man for sex but not for husband. We are their security
& home - they can do that with our encouragement. But if the man gets 'in
love' or 'obsessed' with the female he had sex with - we must protect her. It
can get complicated. If he's stalking her he can't come to the dances any more.
She might have to get an order of protection. We will have to have security
guards, dogs, whatever it takes. I am working all this out in my mind, there
will be lots more working out when the time comes to build physically.
With
the male relationships it'll get really complicated. No easy answers. It'll be
the same with women who fall in love with women, but there will be less
violence - intimidation & threats. But it will get complicated.
You
might scoff at us requiring so much for the 'dances' attendees. At these dances
we'll have any of our members over the age of 12--girls 12, boys 14. {We will
have boy Members, sons of the Mother Members.} That's when I started going to
dances - my Dad took us. Nothing bad occurred, just dancing. That's when kids
begin puberty & they are interested in sex, relationships, with male or
female. So be it. We must accept normalcy!
Again,
to defend our scrutiny. This strict application does not by any means,
guarantee safety for our members! Ted Bundy, before he had a record would have
passed as he was charming, articulate & attractive. John Wayne Gacey could
also pass before he had a record. Jeffrey Dahmer might also pass before he was
ever arrested. There is evil lurking in the hearts of men that cannot be
scrutinized except by God, or a psychic medium. It gives us partial protection.
Then
there are those who through relationships have proven themselves bad risks for
closeness {some women want relationships, not only sex} - that's where the
registry comes in, that you object to - {taking away human rights you say}. -
The women who write reports on males they had bad experiences with, of course
it's voluntary. No one forces them to explain. It could be as simple &
innocent as
'He's
a slob. Never cleans up his own mess, expects you to do everything. Drinks milk
straight out of the bottle.'
I
also understand that we will WEED OUT the majority of males who'd like to meet
females. It will be AGAINST OUR RULES strictly for a woman to associate with
males who have not gone through the net. They will be reprimanded & in
danger of being ousted from the community. {The males will try to persuade them
to do this; they want to be free, let her take chances & risk her safety.
Some will be naive & gullible & do it.} Whoever doesn't mind filling
out the data will have a clean record & good intentions. No men with past
records - no men yet married - no men who intend to do a crime or have done a
crime, will want to sign up. Men who are pure of heart, good intentions, good
past records are most likely to join. That's what we want.
If we
only have one newcomer a week attend, it's no big deal - we have fun anyway.
We'll practice dancing, have contests & any show business training we have
conducted, such as musical instruments or singing or reciting - this is a place
to perform, show their stuff. It will inspire them to practice.
PS -
Regards reputations, the info discovered remains within the Order, not for
public knowledge.
One more thing. Pete, you’re reacting as if this will apply
to the whole world & all men in it.
This is just one Order trying to start out. Look at the Amish, Hutterites, Mennonites
& whatever. Surely it does not
frighten you that they have strict rules, ideas, dress codes, behavior &
all that - to deviate means to be shunned.
A group has a right to make its own rules, that’s what I’m doing. You’re acting like my ideas will apply to the
entire world! Let us begin this way,
hope for the best. I’m just trying to
start a Matriarchal community good for women.
I am including men with reservation.
Shall I exclude them completely?
Let the women run amuck so to speak, find their own men to have sex with
with no scrutiny or reservations, references & information on them? Is that what you want? Will that make you happy? Rasa
Pete says:
If it only applies to within the Order
and for its members, that is a different story, I guess. I would still
personally consider such rules to be a bit too strict, but that's just me. I of
course have no say on what goes on in the Order, as it is only for Women. I
guess if someone doesn't want to live under such rules, they should simply not
join then. Fair enough. We will just have to agree to disagree about this I
guess.
From Rasa:
I just saw your comment Pete. It's only for us. If you disagree, what would you propose to
maintain the safety of our members, including the young, naive, inexperienced
ones who go to our dances? Like twelve
to eighteen, they don't know much - Have not been in the world - Will be
victims of scheming, self serving men.
How would you protect them? I
have a plan, do you? You don't like my
plan, so what is yours. You see that's
what makes me wonder. People
complain. They hate this, that or the
other. But what can they do to amend it?
From Pete:
I guess I don't have any
real plans or solutions in that regard at this time. (Or, at least none that
wouldn't come across as being too cavalier, such as a sort of "shore
leave".) I don't think I have anything further to add at this time, except
to note again that this is ultimately a classic trade-off between liberty and
safety. Not everyone will agree on where on that spectrum is appropriate, and
what constitutes an acceptable versus unacceptable risk, and that's fine. Best wishes,
Pete
Rasa says:
OK try to imagine years from now. You have 3 daughters, 12, 15 & 17. They are all interested in males, - what do
you do to protect them? Understand my
position. As a leader of women who have
been beaten in battle in the Gender War, I must now protect them from further
assaults mentally/spiritually {with philosophies, religions & customs
against women,} physically & emotionally.
As a leader I have to anticipate all that men have done & will do if
given the room - how do I stop them & give females Safe Space, while still
giving them freedom to interact with men?
That's what I'm facing & trying to sort out. You probably never had reason to think this
out before & instead of seeing it from the male POV see it from mine - a
leader of young, innocent, naive or even mature, experienced women--all of us
been hurt as all the slaves in those days were, who now want to be free. Think of our freedom, not men's. How do we get free of this gender who has
been our enemy? Do you imagine letting
males do whatever they want will be the solution, little restrictions put on
them? No scrutiny, no restraints? They have destroyed women in the past &
they will do it again. That's how I see
it. Rasa Von Werder
Pete says:
I forgot one thing I should have said
before: for the dances, it would probably best to have separate dances for ages
12-17 only on the one hand and 18+ only on the other. (And maybe some mixed
dances as well if the elders approve.) That's really the only other thing I had
to add at this time.
From Rasa:
Yes that is a thorny
issue I've been musing about also. There's no EASY ANSWER for any of
this. We're dealing with:
FREEDOM for the members, as well as
SAFETY for them.
How is both freedom & safety
accomplished?
And there are two agendas - for the men,
for the women. You so far represent the men, wanting their freedom.
But you have not come up with an answer of how the women will be protected.
Much of the questions here are up in the
air, waiting to be thought out. But sooner or later, they must be faced
for anyone starting a Matriarchal Order.
You mentioned the Mosuos not have a
security net like this. That is NOT a good comparison. They live in
the Mountains, far from 'civilization,' & their environment has been
'village like' where everyone knows everyone. How many JAILS have they
there? I reckon NONE. How much crime, rape, abuse is there among
the Mosuos? I guess very little. How violent are the men
there? Non violent in general.
And you said you knew of no Matriarchy
in the past that had criteria like this, lol. That is HUMOROUS!
Of course not - they were
Matriarchal! We live in a PATRIARCHY where men ASSUME, as they've been
brainwashed for thousands of years, that they have more rights than women, they
are permitted to hurt women a lot before they are finally prosecuted.
They do violence, rape, intimidation & sexual abuse. No, these men
are not like in any past or present Matriarchy.
These men are the products of one of if
not the most violent male-cultures in the world -
And I think one of the reasons you don't
see it my way is because you have no EXPERIENCE that women have. Have you
been abused as a child? I mean sexually by a Dad or other male?
Have you ever been raped, beaten, threatened with bodily harm or life if you
don't do what the other person wants? There are MANY THINGS you have
never experienced which women routinely do. Some women get it more than
others - like those in the adult trade.
About the ages at our dances:
Legal age of consent in NY is 17, so within our Order here, it would be safe to
let any of our members 17 or above attend. That is to protect our Order
as much as the Members - so we be not accused of introducing underage girls to
men who might later {without our consent} have sex with them. There are many
ways men get sex from females, including innocent or mature ones. They
can take them into the parking lot - seek some secluded place indoors - they
find ways. So if there's no one there under 17 we are safer.
There's many other questions. This subject is a
Pandora's Box. It would be easier to just say 'no men' or we have nothing
to do with our Members {of any age} relations with men. But that's a cop
out. Because we must tend to all the needs of the members, including
their emotional needs, if we are a real Order - real Matriarchal family. Consider
a Mother & Father {in this case the Mom is the one & only possibly - no
Father} with children growing up. In society the teenage girls have
'coming out' parties - their introduction to society. This is not random
blokes, willy nilly men, peasants, poor men, they seek males of their own
status. We don't seek STATUS per say but STANDARDS. As a family
would block out undesirables, we do the same. And the world is FULL of
undesirables, especially men.
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This one came out very good overall, Rasa. The artwork and fuzzies complement it nicely as well. I don't think I have anything further to add here.
ReplyDeleteBest wishes and keep up the great work,
Pete
I thought of one more thing as well. For (and only for) any heterosexual relationships in which the *male* is the older person, there should be a strict "half your age plus seven" rule for all ages, period, except perhaps if the age difference is less than three or four years, to be a bit more realistic. No Leonardo DiCaprio type "silver foxes" in the henhouse, in other words. (Those who don't know much about Leo are free to Google it.)
ReplyDelete(I am not saying that it should be a universal law for the outside world, as here I am talking about Members of the Order, who are held to a higher standard than non-members of the outside world)
Of course, when the genders are reversed, I am sure we can agree that "cougaring" (or "mentors with benefits", as I like to call it) should be encouraged and even celebrated as long as the younger person is over the age of consent. Even though as you have learned the hard way, Rasa, it is often far more of a penance than pleasure for the older Women, it is nonetheless far more redeeming and safer in so many ways, and helps to further the cause of Matriarchy from one generation to the next. (The same goes for female-female relationships as well.)
Another idea: there should also be an option for "voluntary exclusion" for men to have themselves voluntarily blacklisted from dating or otherwise associating with any Members for a definite or indefinite period of time, similar to what many casinos have for self-identified problem gamblers, with no questions asked. A sort of mutually-protective "Ulysses pact", basically. This would be good for any men who struggle with sex addiction and/or misogyny (for example, St. Augustine apparently struggled mightily with both his whole life), men who know or feel that they will otherwise be "poison" or "toxic" to the Order, as well as any men who choose to be celibate for spiritual or other purposes. Just something to consider.
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