What is Forbidden in the New Order
Abortion: Is not
recommended but not forbidden. We will
do what we can to discourage a Member from this. But in extreme cases, such as rape or danger
to health, it is accepted. If a Member
doesn’t want to take care of a child, she can ask the Order to adopt it &
know it will be well cared for.
Vaccines: Never. No preventive shots of any kind are allowed
in our religion. If one is in the
hospital & has to have injections for legit medical reasons, it’s allowed. But no vaccines purported to prevent this or
that, ever.
TV – computers, smart
phones, cell phones, land lines &
the like: This will be a sticky subject
at times, which our Elders might have to vote on to set the standards.
Basically, we are NOT like the Amish, Mennonites &
Hutterites who want to cut themselves off from the world almost completely. They’re strongly self reliant but tremendous
freedoms & privacy are taken away from their members. {Example: Can’t be gay! – for Heaven’s sake, 20% of the
population is gay or bisexual – forbidding it does not change their
orientation!}
With
the Hutterites, grown men have to report to the leader every time they wish to
go to town off the premises – they have to have a legit reason! No lollygaggin’, they might do something
against the rules – like go to a hooker, get some weed, go to a forbidden
movie, or just window shop or be relaxed in the town park! Not sure if the adult women ever leave the
community – do the men do all the shopping or are Hutterite women permitted to
go out? Amish for sure, women do go
shopping, some once a week. If the
stores are too far away for the horse & buggy – say 30 miles or more, they
use taxies - {They are not allowed to drive vehicles.}
Mennonites/Amish/Hutterites are not allowed TV or cell
phones being caught could lead to ex-communication! In some cases, they are
permitted cell phones but only for business – nothing else - {which is a bit
strange – A cell phone is most convenient for emergencies, such as breakdowns on
the road – or to communicate with the house to check on kids or find out about
a purchase.}
I look upon these sects with jaundiced eyes, as they are
Patriarchal. Most of the interviews with
those who represent them are MEN. Women
seldom speak, when a male & female are present, the male does all the
talking. They are Patriarchs trying to
get away from the mainstream Patriarchy – why?
Possibly, to have more of a corporate control over women – as I hear NO
BIRTH CONTROL. They provide everything
but condoms: food, clothes, {the Hutterites
raise battery chickens who never see the light of day. Supposedly Christians, they aren’t very
Christian to ‘the least of these.’}
These ‘H’ people as I said, provide everything within the
community so the members don’t have to step outside. In all 3 Sects there are strict clothing
rules. You go to a store that sells
material, only certain kinds, some attractive, all conservative. Light color for the young, dark for married
women. The women have to sew & make
the dresses & all the clothing!
Skirts have to be 8” off the floor, the cap has to be tied a certain
way, all the men wear standard pants, most with suspenders, & all members
wear hats – mostly straw hats. The women
Mennonites have wide-brimmed white hats with wide ribbons & large bows of
various colors. And the hats with their
dresses, they look stylish compared to the average grunge on the street.
Bottom line re media, communication with modern gadgets
& other inventions: We do not
have to forfeit these; in fact, we will use them & media {computers} for
our benefit. These are not to be used
for luxury – we don’t believe in luxury – but for convenience, education, work,
& spreading our Gospel.
What do we do that is like these people but different? We are not attempting to leave the world
behind but to change ourselves from within – starting with beliefs. We are in the world but ‘not of it’, not
limited by it. Our MINDS are not with Patriarchs
– but why do we have to forfeit modern conveniences & inventions along with
Patriarchy? On the spiritual side, we do not focus on material things – God is
first, the material world is for survival,– we don’t need luxury & media that
take our minds & hearts off the Infinite.
Our dictums ‘Love the Lord they God with all thy heart, soul &
mind,’ – ‘God is a jealous God,’ ‘Put first the
That being said, we will not raise all saints, though
hopefully many – it will not be 100% home runs.
Some will trudge through our Matriarchy ‘the way of all flesh,’ &
have to reach Enlightenment in a future lifetime – but they might bear progeny
who’ll make it & do a great deal of good for the world……
Our
Order is a family led by a benevolent Mother – the Leader & her hierarchy
of ‘Aunties’ or Officers.
The
Sects spoken of don’t quite ‘make sense.’
It’s kind of like throwing the baby out with the bath water. OK, so the world is corrupt. Do you make it less so by using horses
instead of cars, eliminating modern conveniences? {I also like the romanticism of that - &
we will eventually have homestead dwellings, where we live ‘off the grid’ with
possibly some conveniences – we will not make life drudgery for these women but
will do what we can to live ‘self reliant’, albeit, it has to be hard work. A horse, a cow & calf, a goat or sheep,
chickens, a garden, a community house within our village where we meet up, etc.
{My idea is to have a number of houses, say
eight, off the grid. Within the
community is a large barn where all the members house their animals, & also
a large common house that is ON THE GRID.
Within the grid house are several washing machines & dryers &
one or more bathrooms where the members can take a HOT BATH. This house has
CENTRAL HEATING plus a large fireplace where women & kids can gather for
stories, talks & out loud readings.} It will have a KITCHEN & a large
dining area with tables with ample seating.
The off-grid homes have no hot water so laundry & bathing facilities
are rough. There will be large fields with
hay for our animals, woods where we harvest trees for firewood & plenty
space for wild herbs & weeds for goats - grass for sheep. We can use scythes, the primitive way of
harvesting wheat, or tractors.
All
this is aside from the Main Mother God Center, convent, Temple, cafeteria,
which will be visited at least once weekly, usually more for education,
conferences, Elder’s meetings & recreation, especially if one has kids.} ……
Does
a woman sewing her own clothes make the world less corrupt? How about using the old-fashioned washing
machine, which takes a lot of time compared to the modern ones?
{How
it works: You have to crank the clothes
inside with the handle to make them go round & round – this takes strength,
time & energy. Then you have to push
them through rollers to get the sudsy water out. Then you have to put them in again, with
clear water. Round & round. Then wring them out again, one by one. And this has to be either outside – winter? –
or in some spot where the water can drain out. Then you have to hang them up on
a line! – No dryer. Is the world a
better place because I spent 3 hours with laundry instead of 15 minutes?}
Of
course, there is NO DIVORCE so any unhappy woman whose man is abusing her or
molesting the children hasn’t got a way out. Indeed, this is the same’ole’ same
ole’ nature – men are dominating, using, exploiting, abusing, calling the
shots, making the rules, while women are back & forth from the bed to the
kitchen, to the laundry & sewing room, cleaning floors of the kitchen &
cafeteria on their hands & knees {saw this in the Hutterite documentary} –
being told who they are & what to do.
How is this different from the corruption of the world? What corruption has been left out? Yes, they have religious education & pray
before meals. But other than that, they
enforce the same Patriarchal mind set.
And their religion is misogynistic of course, the man rules, speaks,
dominates – all that. - The Gospel of
And
why no birth control or condoms? For the
same reason there are no condoms sold in theocratic Muslim countries – for the
same reason Catholics forbid birth control.
They are using women’s breeding capacity to swell up their numbers. After all, no woman will join them
voluntarily with their fukked up rules – unless she’s been beaten & thrown
out in the street – they cannot attract members that way. They have to create them. Women breed to make more Patriarchs.
On
the other hand, we will breed for ourselves.
We can make children, they can’t.
We keep the children. Matriarchy,
not Patriarchy, expands.
Bottom
line: What did the Mennonites-Amish-Hutterites
originally leave behind or get rid of?
They are part of the Protestant Reformation, & Schisms from
Anabaptists.
Mennonites 1525:
In
nearly five centuries of their history Mennonites have pioneered many
geographic frontiers. Originating
in
Amish: 1693
The Amish church
began with a schism in Switzerland within a group of Swiss and Alsatian
Mennonite Anabaptists in 1693 led by Jakob Ammann. Those who followed Ammann became known as Amish.
The Hutterite
movement itself began in 1528 when some two hundred Anabaptists, led by Jacob Wiedemann, left Nicholsburg, Moravia, and embraced communal
living.
Hutterite, member of the Hutterian Brethren, a
branch of the Anabaptist movement, originally
from
Anabaptists:
.
“The
Anabaptist family includes Amish, Bruderhof, Hutterites, Mennonites, and other
groups. Although we all share many commonalities, one defining feature is our
shared belief in adult baptism (believers' baptism), dating back 500 years to the Schleitheim Confession, during the Radical Reformation of the
16th century”………………….
Bottom line:
These people left behind something & gained a new belief. What does this Matriarchal Order leave behind
& gain?
We forfeit Patriarchy & its Agenda. We gain our own minds, hearts & souls,
worshiping God in a new way – the way of the Mother.
Therefore, we need to know this new religion
which worships like we do, sees God within us clearly & absolutely &
that we have no need of male domination, its religions or beliefs. We forfeit the Patriarchal culture / tyranny
over women. We free ourselves, first, in
our minds, & the rest follows.
There needs to be reams of debate &
discussion on this: Who we are, what we
stand for, what we are going to do. It
begins officially with ‘The New Religion” – in the book “Woman, Thou Art God.”
And it continues with the writings that explain
what we intend to do with our New Order.
These are composed by Rasa Von Werder, William Bond & Pete Jackson.
Forbidden & encouraged FOOD wise:
Soda – Never served in the convent or our gatherings. Not recommended in the private dwellings.
Junk Food, sweets & candy, bakery sweets & ice
cream: Holidays only – Christmas,
Easter, Thanksgiving & birthdays. We
make our own sweets & desserts (cake frostings made with butter & sugar
or whipped heavy cream) which are healthy & don’t contain chemicals. We use fruits – fresh fruit cakes & pies
{made with cut up fruits with minimal sugar if any}, yogurt mixed with fruit
& sugar, frozen, instead of ice cream.
We allow sweets mostly for kids, adults are
discouraged from too much sugar as its not nutritive, but kids can throw it off
& crave sugar because they are growing.
Desserts for the kids will be available every dinner in our cafeteria,
amended desserts for the adults. For
example, a fruit cup is given to all –the kids get whipped cream or sweet
yogurt {yogurt with sugar} on top if they wish– the adults encouraged to eat
only the fruit especially if they wish to stay normal weight. We’ll help those
who are obese if they wish it not by harassing but suggesting better culinary
ways. Our chef will bear in mind health
as much as good taste – standards will be enforced. Fresh fruit &
vegetables for snacks will be available all day – fruits, carrots, celery &
raw plant foods, & children especially will be encouraged to eat them for
their health & good habits.
Red Meat: Only on
Holidays & birthdays. Christmas,
Easter & Thanksgiving being our main holidays. Red meat is cattle, sheep & goats. These animals know when they are going to
slaughter & they suffer. Chickens can be killed fast, before they even know
what happened, so they suffer minimally, only in being grabbed. I lived on a farm – the roosters were picked
off for each Sunday dinner. You cannot
have too many roosters as they fight each other to the death.
Pork is NEVER to be served, not even on
Holidays, because the Founder has a special place in her heart for pigs. We can serve it in trace amounts as bits in
commercial soups which might be mixed in with our home made soups at times - & when camping or outdoor grilling, hot
dogs are allowed. But we will serve no
bacon, pork chops, any kind of pork in our cafeteria or gatherings. It’s not a rule for those who live in private
dwellings, only a request by the Founder.





































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This one came out great overall and I will be sure to share it soon. Still digesting it and seeing if so have anything to add.
ReplyDeleteBest wishes and keep up the great work,
Ajax
OK, I let it digest a bit and now I have a couple of comments. Most of the stuff in this article I am largely neutral about, so I will only comment on the stuff that most caught my eye:
ReplyDelete1) First, thank you for NOT forbidding abortion. Practically no one LIKES abortion, but it is an extremely nuanced issue overall that defies simplistic "solutions" like banning it, which clearly do far more harm than good.
2) You make excellent points out how much your Order differes from the patriarchal Amish, Hutterites, etc. The difference is like day and night, basically. They are ridiculous IMHO.
3) Vaccines--I am sure you can predict what I will say. But I have since gone from being unequivocally pro-vaccine to being far more questioning and discerning, thanks to being red-pilled by the plandemic. For first time since 2006, I skipped my annual flu shot this year, for example. And NO Covid jabs since the first two! Still, I think that it is extremely nuanced overall, and I will not comment further on this topic.
4) The dietary stuff I half-agree and half-disagree with, as a relatively avid meat eater myself who enjoys some junk food every now and then, but that is a minor point overall. And I fully.see where you are coming from 100%. To each their own.
5) But the thorniest part of all.has to be the part at the very end, namely about drugs and alcohol, which deserves a separate comment below (continued)....
(Continued from above)
ReplyDeleteThe part about the street drugs is indeed quite a thorny issue. Let me begin by noting that I agree 100% with you, full stop, about HARD drugs. Those include, but are not limited to, cocaine/crack, speed/meth and other amphetamines, barbiturates, benzodiazepines, heroin and other opioids, angel dust (PCP), designer drugs, research chemicals, etc. And they are, on balance, far more harm than good overall, and rue the day they were first discovered. (For the outside world, I also do believe that the War on Drugs also does more harm than good and should be ended, but that is a separate issue.) So a strict zero-tolerance policy for those makes sense (at least if not prescribed by a doctor for legit medical uses). No argument from me there. The Order does NOT need that kind of toxic energy!
(Past drug use that is NOT current, of course, is a different matter, as God forgives FAR, FAR worse sins than those for those folks who have genuinely repented and turned away from such sins.)
Psychedelics and entheogens (LSD and natural ones like magic mushrooms, peyote, Ayahuasca, DMT, etc.) are not quite the same as the above, but are VERY powerful and still can be somewhat problematic when misused or abused. Not sure how I feel about those, though I doubt very much that you are a fan of those either.
But I will take strong exception to the idea that cannabis (marijuana, weed, hash) belongs in the same category as the other street drugs. First of all, it is now legal in NY and several other states, and soon to be legal everywhere at some point, so the "street drug" epithet no longer really applies. Secondly, it is nowhere near as harmful or addictive as the hard drugs, not even in the same league. In fact, by just about any rational scientific measure, it is safer than alcohol, tobacco, most prescription drugs, and even Tylenol, and less addictive than coffee for most people. That's not to say it is completely safe or harmless for everyone, and like anything it can indeed have a bit of a dark side if abused or used excessively, granted. But by and large, it's really a non-problem overall. And what about all the legions of folks who need it for medical use?
I can even almost understand banning the use of weed (or at least the smoking of it, which can be considered to impart an offensive odor) ON the premises, but banning it off-premises as well is a bit too harsh IMHO. We may just have to agree to disagree about that.
And finally, as for alcohol, you know how I feel about that ageist and illiberal abomination that is the 21 drinking age. I was against it then when I was younger, and I am still against it now. All it does is drive drinking underground and make it far more dangerous than it has to be. I have long advocated lowering it to 18, full stop. And hopefully it one day will be. Old enough to go to war, old enough to go to the bar. 'Nuff said.
That's it for now, if I have anything further to add, I will add it later.
Best wishes,
Ajax