Building the Order

 

Discussion starting on ‘Order Forbids’  2-13-24  {Re the New Religion & Order composed by Rasa with contributions from Pete Jackson & William Bond}

 

From Ajax the Great aka Pete Jackson:

Good evening, Rasa.  My comments below, also on the blog, verbatim:

OK, I let it digest a bit and now I have a couple of comments. Most of the stuff in this article I am largely neutral about, so I will only comment on the stuff that most caught my eye:

1) First, thank you for NOT forbidding abortion. Practically no one LIKES abortion, but it is an extremely nuanced issue overall that defies simplistic "solutions" like banning it, which clearly do far more harm than good.

2) You make excellent points out how much your Order differs from the patriarchal Amish, Hutterites, etc. The difference is like day and night, basically. They are ridiculous IMHO.

3) Vaccines--I am sure you can predict what I will say. But I have since gone from being unequivocally pro-vaccine to being far more questioning and discerning, thanks to being red-pilled by the plandemic. For first time since 2006, I skipped my annual flu shot this year, for example. And NO XXX jabs since the first two! Still, I think that it is extremely nuanced overall, and I will not comment further on this topic.

4) The dietary stuff I half-agree and half-disagree with, as a relatively avid meat eater myself who enjoys some junk food every now and then, but that is a minor point overall. And I fully.see where you are coming from 100%. To each their own.

5) But the thorniest part of all. has to be the part at the very end, namely about drugs and alcohol, which deserves a separate comment below (continued)....

(Second comment)

The part about the street drugs is indeed quite a thorny issue. Let me begin by noting that I agree 100% with you, full stop, about HARD drugs. Those include, but are not limited to, cocaine/crack, speed/meth and other amphetamines, barbiturates, benzodiazepines, heroin and other opioids, angel dust (PCP), designer drugs, research chemicals, etc. And they are, on balance, far more harm than good overall, and rue the day they were first discovered. (For the outside world, I also do believe that the War on Drugs also does more harm than good and should be ended, but that is a separate issue.) So a strict zero-tolerance policy for those makes sense (at least if not prescribed by a doctor for legit medical uses). No argument from me there. The Order does NOT need that kind of toxic energy!

(Past drug use that is NOT current, of course, is a different matter, as God forgives FAR, FAR worse sins than those for those folks who have genuinely repented and turned away from such sins.)

Psychedelics and entheogens (LSD and natural ones like magic mushrooms, peyote, Ayahuasca, DMT, etc.) are not quite the same as the above, but are VERY powerful and still can be somewhat problematic when misused or abused. Not sure how I feel about those, though I doubt very much that you are a fan of those either.

But I will take strong exception to the idea that cannabis (marijuana, weed, hash) belongs in the same category as the other street drugs. First of all, it is now legal in NY and several other states, and soon to be legal everywhere at some point, so the "street drug" epithet no longer really applies. Secondly, it is nowhere near as harmful or addictive as the hard drugs, not even in the same league. In fact, by just about any rational scientific measure, it is safer than alcohol, tobacco, most prescription drugs, and even Tylenol, and less addictive than coffee for most people. That's not to say it is completely safe or harmless for everyone, and like anything it can indeed have a bit of a dark side if abused or used excessively, granted. But by and large, it's really a non-problem overall. And what about all the legions of folks who need it for medical use?

I can even almost understand banning the use of weed (or at least the smoking of it, which can be considered to impart an offensive odor) ON the premises, but banning it off-premises as well is a bit too harsh IMHO. We may just have to agree to disagree about that.

And finally, as for alcohol, you know how I feel about that ageist and illiberal abomination that is the 21 drinking age. I was against it then when I was younger, and I am still against it now. All it does is drive drinking underground and make it far more dangerous than it has to be. I have long advocated lowering it to 18, full stop. And hopefully it one day will be. Old enough to go to war, old enough to go to the bar.   'Nuff said.   Best wishes,  Ajax

 

Rasa says:

         I did answer this, detailing my statements but can’t find my answer – basically I said I would not allow anyone to buy cannabis off the street as it could be tainted, but legitimate purchases for medical are fine.  I’m glad they’re making it legal. But I DO NOT agree that it is harmless, as I was once, long ago, addicted to cannabis.  It is hallucinatory & very addictive IMO. And like any other hallucinatory drug, I don’t believe in it.  I know many do & even think their brand of hallucinogens is Sacred, but I do not.  I believe in the long, hard method of meditation, virtue & prayer to elevate one’s mind, not outside substances.  These are not legitimate in the spiritual life.  So there we disagree which is OK, we can disagree & remain friends & associates.

         Same goes for the comment of William – I can’t find it in my mail as it was days ago.  The only pertinent thing I recall he said follow the laws re sex as they can come down on the Order.  This is a given.  I have no intention or desire to break the law within our Order or encourage anyone to do so.

         That being said, there is a huge discussion on the need for emotional nourishment that we will begin, & this need does not disappear past childhood – kids usually get lots of affection, but what happens to a teen?   Rasa

         One more thing – I have checked on Quakers & so far they are my favorite American-based religion.  I will study them more see what they have to offer us by way of similarity.

 

William Bond writes:

Hi Rasa

Some time ago you mentioned that the Feminists were funded the Rothschilds.  Just come across a video saying something similar, that the XXX influenced the feminist movement.    william

 

         Pete Jackson says:

Good evening, Rasa.  Indeed, we shall respectfully agree to disagree regarding cannabis and psychedelics.  No problem.

 

The emotional nourishment question is indeed an important one to think about.

 

As for Quakers, of all of the American based denominations, they are indeed the one that probably has the greatest overlap with all three of our general views for the most part.

 

William, you are correct that at least some of the more prominent Feminists were indeed funded (or rather, bought and co-opted) by shadowy elites and oligarchs, only for them it was actually the Rockefellers (through their Rockefeller Foundation), not the Rothschilds (though both dynasties likely had/have connections and some overlap with each other).  And indeed, Jane Doe herself was a de facto XXX agent to one degree or another.  The oligarchs and shadow government basically said, "if you can't beat 'em, BUY 'em".  And unfortunately, too many people can be easily bought.  Natch.   Best wishes, Pete

 

Rasa answers:

         Yes, the Rockefeller Foundation.  Was this good or bad?  Did it help? - As they gave millions for the movement.  Did they change it from what it would have been?  Probably.

         But where it {Feminism at its root} moved to is where we are:  Female Empowerment & Matriarchy.  So, no hurt to the Cause.

         I was influenced by Ashley Montagu & Betty Freidan & the Feminist movement.  But God led me to the things I did separate from that:  the idea of Female Body Building & other items & God led you, William, to write what you wrote.

 Feminism was a beginning & we move on from there.  It did what it had to do – we did what we had to do, nothing to cry over.

Our road is to obey God, who speaks to us through the heart – so we are doing.   Rasa

Part 2:

I saw about 40% of that interview.  Yes, it's controversy - not what I want to do now.  It's war.  And these men are hostile to our movement.  Anything past 'equality' they haven't a clue about.  Also I don't want to talk about this govt agency - want to keep my policy of being 'neutral'  regards male politics.  Not name names, invidividuals or what they're doing.

   To get involved in this  is not the time to do this now.  It drains energy.  One lady did what she did {I'm going to delete that part that identifies her for the article or book} but so what?  How does that change anything now, what we're doing?  It doesn't.

In the bible David wanted to build the Temple of God, but God said to him,

 "You are a man of war - you cannot build the Temple.  Your son Solomon will build it." 

In other words, you cannot be FIGHTING & BUILDING at the same time.  I have embarked on the course of BUILDING.  That's what Pete & I have started discussin g, that's what I must continue.

Right now I'm about to discuss an issue that is vital:  sexuality.  Not quite ready as I'm too tired tonight.  Maybe tomorrow.

As I embark on this journey  based on what I know I cannot look back at who did what to whom & when.  I don't care.  Now is the time to build.

I just built a center for my birds to enjoy nutrients.  But all was not anticipated - my cat.  I have one expert hunter who is a menace to all small life.  She got out there & stalked the birds & did catch a couple.

So I had to rethink the feeding area & place the food outside the reach of the cat or at the very least, limit her chances of catching them.  This I did.

I am faced with the same dilemma for the females of our Order.  They need nourishment, the food of love.  They need contact with males but without being preyed upon, hunted down or devoured.

I must be aware of their FREEDOM while at the same time their SAFETY.  I must get them nourished but not used or hurt.

 I must think out every type of situation  to create the theater of security & fulfillment.  This will take concentratin & effort & I will pull upon my ifetime of experience including the eleven years of cougering where I hung with young males - I must anticipate tricky situations & avoid them.

I will bring up my ideas then you men can add your thoughts & feelings & together we will do more than alone.

And eventually when the Order starts at least we got it going & it'll have to be amended & improved as it works out.  Those who run it - possibly after I'm dead - could take the ideas presented & try them & make amendments as things go awry.  Because they always do, lol.           Rasa